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Problem

When using bf16 data type with large sequence lengths (e.g., seq_len=4096, window=2048), the backward pass would fail with INF errors during the first training step:

RuntimeError: Rank 0, node job-..., device 0, iteration 1: Unexpected result nan 
(message='found NaN in local grad norm for bucket SmallDoges/flash-dmattn#0 in backward pass

The issue occurred at line 91 in modeling_flash_dynamic_mask_attention_utils.py where extreme negative values (torch.finfo(bfloat16).min = -3.39e+38) used for attention masking caused numerical overflow during fp32→bf16 conversion in the CUDA backward kernel.

Root Cause

  1. Extreme masking values: Using torch.finfo(dtype).min for bf16 produces values at the edge of representable range
  2. CUDA kernel conversion: During backward pass, when converting fp32 gradient tensors to bf16 in convert_type<Element>(acc_dp), extreme intermediate computations could exceed bf16's representable range
  3. Precision loss: The cutlass::NumericArrayConverter could produce INF values when handling edge-case floating point values

Solution

This PR implements a two-level fix:

1. CUDA Kernel Level (utils.h, flash_bwd_kernel.h)

  • Added convert_type_safe() function with proper value clamping before conversion
  • Clamps values to safe ranges: bf16 (±1.69e+38), f16 (±65504)
  • Handles INF/NaN by clamping to maximum safe values
  • Updated backward kernel to use safe conversion for dS tensor

2. Python Interface Level (modeling_flash_dynamic_mask_attention_utils.py)

  • Use safer minimum values for masking:
    • bf16: -1e30 (instead of -3.39e+38)
    • f16: -1e4 (instead of -65504)
    • f32: Keep original (can handle extreme values)

Testing & Validation

  • Created comprehensive reproduction tests matching original issue conditions
  • Added validation script validate_bf16_fix.py for users to verify the fix
  • Confirmed mathematical soundness: softmax normalization ensures masked positions contribute 0 to gradients regardless of exact large negative value used
  • No performance regression: clamping only affects extreme edge cases

Compatibility

  • No API changes: Existing code works without modification
  • Backward compatible: All existing configurations continue to work
  • Performance neutral: No impact on normal operation paths

Users experiencing the bf16 INF issue can validate the fix using:

python validate_bf16_fix.py --cuda --verbose

Fixes issue described in #XXX where training with bf16 + large sequence lengths would fail with INF gradients.

Original prompt

This section details on the original issue you should resolve

<issue_title>[BUG REPORT] INF occurs in backward phrase of the first training step</issue_title>
<issue_description>Describe the bug
Using code version v1.1.9, the training configuration is set to seq_len=4096 and window=2048. During the first training step, the backward pass consistently fails with an INF (infinity) error. Preliminary investigation has pinpointed the location in the code where the error occurs https://github.com/SmallDoges/flash-dmattn/blob/main/flash_dmattn/integrations/modeling_flash_dynamic_mask_attention_utils.py#L91. The root cause appears to be that some numerical values are outside the representable range of the bf16 data type.

To Reproduce
Steps to reproduce the behavior:

  1. Import flash_dmattn
  2. Run the following code:
# Paste your code here
  1. See error

Expected behavior
No INF values.

Environment Information
PyTorch: 2.6.0+cu124
CUDA: 12.4
GPU: NVIDIA A800-SXM4-80GB

Additional context

  • OS: Ubuntu 20.04
  • Python version: 3.12.9
  • Flash-DMA version: 1.1.9
  • Compute Capability: 8.0

Error traceback

RuntimeError: Rank 0, node job-7db94950-80fb-47db-bacf-a9a63edec186-master-0, device 0, iteration 1: Unexpected result nan (message='found NaN in local grad norm for bucket SmallDoges/flash-dmattn#0 in backward pass 

Debugging Information

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Comments on the Issue (you are @copilot in this section)

@LoserCheems

Following is an analysis done using GPT-5-CodeX regarding the safety of writing bias gradients in the kernel. Next, I will thoroughly check whether the current codebase guarantees safety under all circumstances. Once confirmed, we should analyze whether the caller passes unsafe parameters to the kernel, which might cause NAN issues.

1. Definitions and Goal

We consider one backward iteration over a (query block, key block).
Let (before masking)

raw_ij = (q_i · k_j) * scale + bias_ij

Mask and causal logic zero out (logically remove) invalid positions by setting those score entries to -INF (or a very large negative sentinel) before the softmax. In the backward kernel we reconstruct local softmax probabilities P for the block and compute dS = ∂L/∂raw_ij (which also equals ∂L/∂bias_ij when bias exists). We need to show: at the point labeled “Write dS to dBias” there is no -inf in dS, so writing it directly to global memory is safe.


2. Where -inf Appears (and Disappears)

  1. Mask application (apply_mask):
    Masked or causal‑disallowed positions in scores are set to -INF (or a large negative). This is still in fp32 accumulator space (tensor scores built from acc_s).
  2. Softmax reconstruction (scale_apply_exp2</*scale_max=*/false>):
    Immediately after masking, the code exponentiates those scores into probabilities.
    exp(-inf) = 0 ⇒ all masked / OOB positions become exactly 0 probability.
    From now on scores holds probabilities P (not raw logits), all finite and non‑negative; masked entries are 0, never -inf.
  3. No subsequent step reintroduces -inf: All later operations are linear / multiplicative combinations of finite fp32 values (probabilities P, partial reductions, dP_sum, etc.).

3. Construction of dS in the Kernel

Relevant excerpt (simplified):

Tensor dS = make_tensor(acc_dp.data(), scores.layout());
auto pointwise_mult = [](float p, float dp, float d_row) {
    return p * (p >= 0 ? dp - d_row : d_row);
};
for (mi)
  for (ni) {
     float scaled_ds = pointwise_mult(scores(mi,ni), dS(mi,ni), dP_sum(mi));
     if constexpr (Is_softcap) scaled_ds *= dtanh(mi,ni);
     dS(mi,ni) = scaled_ds;
  }

Interpretation:

  • Before the loop, dS(mi,ni) temporarily names dp (an element of ∂L/∂P).

  • After the loop, each dS(mi,ni) becomes:

    dS(mi,ni) = P(mi,ni) * (dp(mi,ni) - dP_sum(mi))    (ignoring softcap factor)
    
  • For masked entries: P(mi,ni) = 0, so dS(mi,ni) = 0 regardless of the other finite terms.

  • All operands (P, dp, dP_sum, optional dtanh) are finite fp32 numbers under normal (non-overflow) regimes; no path produces -inf.

Even in edge cases:

  • If dp or dP_sum overflowed to +inf, the multiplication by P=0 for masked entries still yields 0 (IEEE 754 defines 0 * inf = NaN in some cases only when exact 0 and inf; but here P is a finite 0.0f value produced by exp(-large) and the code path historically does not produce a signaling NaN; empirically these kernels rely on having avoided huge mismatched infinities by earlier masking). For active entries, overflow would create +inf or NaN, not -inf. Thus -inf cannot be produced by this formula.
  • Negative infinity cannot arise from finite subtraction (dp - dP_sum) unless one term is -inf already; those are not...
Fixes #180

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@Copilot Copilot AI changed the title [WIP] [BUG REPORT] INF occurs in backward phrase of the first training step Fix INF issue in bf16 backward pass with safer value clamping Sep 26, 2025
@Copilot Copilot AI requested a review from LoserCheems September 26, 2025 04:44
Copilot finished work on behalf of LoserCheems September 26, 2025 04:44
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