Eigenvalues Vectors
Eigenvalues Vectors
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PROFESSOR: Last, kind of under the announcements category, is I want to talk about the muddy
cards. So I've used those many times in the past. Last time was the first time I
This was really a good lecture to have handed them out. We covered lots of
interesting important concepts. And so I'm going to review a couple of things that
A couple of the most positive comments is people really like the demos, and they
And somebody then asked the question, said, well, I thought that vectors were
independent of the coordinate system that you select. It's true. A velocity ought to
be a velocity no matter whether it's r theta or x, y, z.
But why? That seems to kind of violate that notion that vectors should be
AUDIENCE: It's sort of like since it's moving, the coordinates shouldn't matter. Like if it was
equilibrium, it wouldn't matter where you would put the [INAUDIBLE].
PROFESSOR: OK, well, you're getting close. Here was the problem I think we did. And we chose
this point, which I'll call 2, and this point, which I'll call 1. And we computed h1. I'll
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just call h1 with respect to point 1. We'll call this A. We computed with respect to 1.
And we computed the angular momentum of A with respect to 2.
But in this case, angular momentum of a particle with respect to some location,
origin of a coordinate system, is defined as r of the partial with respect to the
coordinate system crossed with the linear momentum of the particle that you're--
we'll call it B here, just the name of the particle.
The definition-- these are both vectors. You arch changing the vector. It's a different
vector. Because this changes in the two parts. So it's not a constant vector at all. By
its definition, it is just something different when you move to a different place and
this piece changes. This piece is invariant, but this piece is not. And that's the
answer to that one.
Lots of people were still not clear about Coriolis. We'll work on that as time goes by.
And people were interested in how to pick reference frames and so forth.
Somebody made the suggestion, try using some colored chalk. It would help. I don't
My assistant just walked in with some. She found some at the last minute. So I'll try
doing that. That's a good idea. And someone else says, take a break in an hour.
And that's a pretty good idea, too. I'll try to remember to do that. So the muddy
So let's start with this topic. It's a subject which we constantly use throughout the
course doing dynamics. You have to be able to figure out coordinate systems,
degrees of freedom, drawing free body diagrams. So I'm going to do a few quick
examples-- coordinates, fbd's. I picked some examples here just to emphasize a
Here we have a slope. I've got a wheel. It's a rigid body. I pick a preliminary
coordinate system. Sometimes you do that just to help you think about it. And now
Now, with few exceptions, I can compute that by multiplying 6 times the number of
rigid bodies in the problem plus 3 times the number of particles minus the
So this is the number of rigid bodies. This is the number of particles. And C, this is
the constraints. So take a look at this problem. A wheel's a rigid body. The
difference between a rigid body and a particle is a rigid body is big enough. It has
mass at some extent. Its rotational inertia will matter.
So here we've got a wheel. So we've got certainly one rigid body but no particles.
And so then the problem becomes-- let's identify what the constraints are in the
problem. So I drew my initial little coordinate system just so that I can use language
like x, y, and z direction. So z's coming out of the board. So in this problem, let's
How about the y direction? The simplest kind of constraints are things that just allow
no motion. Can it move in the y direction? No, OK, so y, y dot, y double dot, are 0.
So that's a hard constraint. You can't move through the wall in the y direction.
You have to make assumptions when you're doing problems. You have to try to
simplify things as much as you can so that you make them easy. So really I'm going
to assume in this problem-- I haven't shown any constraints or wheels or guides or
rollers. But I'm going to assume that it won't move in the z direction. So that's
another constraint.
So this implies 1. This implies another constraint. If I don't do this, if I don't assume
that, then I just end up with another equation of motion. For every degree of
freedom, you end up with a problem.
You're going to need an equation of motion. So if I did not make this assumption, I'd
say that the summation of the forces in the z direction is equal to 0. And that's equal
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to the mass times the acceleration of the body in the z acceleration. It's a vector,
vector component.
And then you just say, oh well, that's a trivial equation of motion. And so you could
deal with it that way. But we'll just assume that we have no motion in the z. And that
gives us another constraint.
Now we can assume again that there's constraints in the problem, or it's well
behaved, in that the thing won't fall over. It won't roll over. And it won't change
direction running down the hill. So we'll assume no rotation about the x or y axes.
So that implies two more constraints.
And finally, the constraints can come in many flavors. Finally we know that in this
But this now says that if there's no slip, I can say that the distance it rolls down the
hill is minus r theta. That's a constraint. x and theta are not independent of one
another.
And so that implies yet another. OK, so we've got one, two, three, four, five
constraints. And we said that the number of degrees of freedom in this problem is
equal to 6 minus 5, which is 1.
So you take the single coordinate. You could have told me that long ago that that's
what it's going to take. But this is the sort of thinking you have to go through to
come up with all these constraints. So this is going to take a single coordinate. It
But you don't actually need them both. You use them both for a while, because it's
convenient. But in the final analysis, you'll be able to write an equation of motion just
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OK, free body diagram of our wheel-- we said no slip. So here's your slope. You
know you've got mg. You know there's going to be a normal force from the slope.
There may also be some tangential force that makes it impossible for it not to slip,
What if-- I'll do e here, or do a case ii here, slip allowed. Then how many constraints
do we have? Just four. Because now you can no longer say that this is true. They're
They take on values not controlled by this formulation. So 6 minus 4 gives you 2.
And you're going to end up having to have both x and theta probably as your
chosen coordinates to do the problem. And you'll end up with two equations of
motion.
So I've got a hockey puck here. I've drawn kind of a 3D perspective of this. So it has
a coordinate system out here. The z-axis is going like that. So here's my z. Here's
my x. Here's my y in the plane of the ice that this thing is sliding on. So this is my z-
coordinate.
And I have string wrapped around it. And I've got a piece of string coming off like
that. And I'm pulling on it with some tension. Because otherwise the only constraints
are it's sitting on this icy surface, which I'm going to assume is-- well, I don't even
have to assume it's frictionless. I could.
So let's figure out how many equations of motion we're going to need here. So the
number of degrees of freedom, 6 times-- this is a rigid body. It's not a particle. And
there's only one of them. So it's 6 times 1 minus C and the number of constraints.
So can it move into the table, into the surface? No, so that's a constraint in z. Are
there any constraints in the x or y? It can rotate about z. But it can't rotate about the
x or y-axes. All right, so constraint into z is one. Can't rotate about x or y-- two,
three. Are there any others? Who thinks I may have missed one?
OK, I'd say we've got 6 minus 3. We're going to need three equations of motion to
be able to actually describe the motion of this thing. And we'd probably use-- this is
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a pretty good coordinate system. We'd probably use an x, a y, and some theta with
respect to z-axis.
All right, another quick example-- so we've got a rod leaning against a wall. It's
length L. Actually, I don't want to do that. It's L long. It's got a center of mass here at
the middle, uniform rod. Let this be x, y, z coming out of the board, maybe give it an
angle here just to help us describe motions.
You might start off with a preliminary little coordinate system just so you could think
that, OK, no motion in the x, no rotation in this. But once you get the problem, you're
ready to set up the equations of motion, you might decide, OK, I know I need two
coordinates. And the ones I've preliminarily chosen aren't too good. Then you
change, and you pick the really good ones. But I'm just making the preliminary
Again, the degrees of freedom-- 6 times 1 minus C. Because I only have one rigid
body. Now, the constraints here are a little more subtle. Let me just discuss these
two points. What can you say about the motion at point A? This is right here where it
touches the wall.
This thing is sliding down the wall. It might be frictionless, might not. Whether or not
friction acts doesn't really change the number of degrees of freedom unless you
invoke things like no slip. What can you say kinematically about motion, about the
motion at A? Does the wall restrict the motion?
AUDIENCE: Yes.
AUDIENCE: x.
AUDIENCE: x.
PROFESSOR: Pardon? I hear a no. I hear some yeses. What about at B? Is it constrained at B? In
the--
AUDIENCE: y.
PROFESSOR: y direction, OK. I didn't bring my big foam disk. But earlier in the term, I said that the
definition of translation is that all points on a rigid body do what if you're rectilinear
PROFESSOR: All points move in parallel, exactly right. That means that if we use real strict
definitions of translation and rotation, that if I constrain the motion of any point on
that object, that object is now not allowed to translate in that direction by the
definition of translation.
So this point constrains it in the x direction. This constrains it in the y direction. And
we're going to-- so it's constrained in translation. And that implies 2. And b, we'll
assume that z motion is 0. We'll just assume there's nothing going on out of the
plane.
So that gives me another one. And I'll assume no rotation. I'm not going to allow any
rotation in this problem. I'm not interested in rotation about the x or about the y,
about these axes.
And that implies two more. So we have two, three, four, five. And I better not have
any more than that or the thing can't move. So in this case, this is 6 minus 5 equals
1.
I need a single coordinate to describe the motion. And if you look at it, you say, well,
that's kind of intuitive and obvious. If I specify the x position here, I could figure
everything out. If I know the length and the x, I could figure out where it is. If I know
the y position and the length, I could figure out where it is. If I know theta, I could
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figure it out. I only need one.
But that strict definition of translation is really helpful here. This thing, this object, is
in pure rotation. And if it's in pure rotation, it must rotate about some point. Where?
You know how to find that?
What's the velocity here? It's got gravity acting on it, so it's probably down. But it's
parallel to the wall. It has to be. What's the velocity here? It's got to be parallel to the
wall.
If I draw perpendicular to that-- if I'm saying, this is rotation. All points in the body
rotate at the same rate. But their speed is determined by the distance away from
the center of rotation. But if it's pure rotation, there must be a center of rotation
somewhere.
And it must be perpendicular to any velocity vector. So you draw the perpendicular.
You draw the perpendicular. And here is the instantaneous center of rotation, the
ICR. There's a little short section in the book on that. When this thing drops down to
here, same kind of arguments hold. But the center of rotation has changed
locations. Yeah.
PROFESSOR: So now let's talk about the center of mass. So she asked-- excuse me, I should
repeat the question. You guys aren't holding me to that very well. Raise your hands
She says, is it not translating? We've determined that-- let me ask you, does the
center of mass move? Does Newton's second law apply to the motion of the center
of mass?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]?
PROFESSOR: Yeah, it's got to. So the center of mass translates-- no doubt about that. Newton's
second law applies to it. So we're not saying that there isn't motion of the system in
the x and y. We're just saying that that motion is caused by rotation. It's not caused
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by what is strictly defined as translation.
Free body diagram, the reason-- let's think about a free body diagram for this.
Here's our rod. There must be-- I'll let it be frictionless to keep the problem simple
for a moment. That means there must be just a normal force in the x direction here.
I'll call it Nx. And there must be a normal force in the y, call it Ny. The center of
So now that I set the problem up this way, how many unknowns are there in the
problem? If I want to calculate literally the motion of this thing, find an equation of
motion and solve it, how many unknowns do I have? How many do you think?
AUDIENCE: One.
PROFESSOR: I hear one. I see two on the board. But is two the right answer? I hear three. Who
AUDIENCE: Acceleration?
PROFESSOR: How do you describe acceleration with a coordinate of some kind? So there's yet
another unknown. It's probably the thing that you're trying to solve for. It's actually
the motion itself described by theta for x or y, whatever you do. There's at least
three unknowns in this problem the way you see it in this free body diagram.
So you've got to figure out ways around that. This instantaneous center of rotation
gives you one possible way around that. Because about an instantaneous center,
We have a little formula that says the time rate of change of angular momentum--
torque is related to the time rate of change of angular momentum. And you can
have a messy formula or a not so messy. And it's not so messy when the axis of
rotation is stationary.
So at this instant in time, the axis is stationary. You can say that the torques about
this point, the ICR, summation of the torques with respect to the ICR, is equal to d,
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is now a rigid body with respect to the ICR, dt. OK, in this problem, what are the
torques? Where do the torques come from? Is there any torque caused by Nx?
No, because there's no moment on it, right? It's pointing right at the center. Same
thing-- no torque caused by this. You want to find equations that get rid of
unknowns. So neither unknown appear in this equation.
Where does the torque come from? Gravity, right? And it's going to be some Mg
times a moment arm. And the moment arm is going to be like that. So it's an L over
2 sine theta. And the sine you'll have to figure out from an r cross and f.
So you have an i cross j, gives you a k. But it's in the minus direction. So I think it'll
come out minus. But I could be wrong. I did that on the fly. So we're not going to go
further with this. But the instantaneous centers of rotation could be really handy.
OK, a final example in this stuff-- how are we doing on time? Couple of carts, so the
floor constrains the motion. And I've got a spring and a dashpot and an M1 and an
AUDIENCE: I was just curious. Why is torque negative in your earlier solution?
PROFESSOR: Let's just figure out r cross f. So my r-- you're saying, why is the torque negative?
The r is L/2 in the i hat. And the gravity crossed with the force, which is Mg in the--
but it's minus Mg in the j hat. So i cross j is positive k. But the minus sign comes
from there.
PROFESSOR: Well, I'm working on the center of mass here. That's my equation. And this thing is L
long. So half of the length must be L/2. And I'm interested in this side of the right
triangle.
AUDIENCE: Why are you interested in that side rather than the side that connects it to the--
PROFESSOR: Because this side crossed with that gives me 0. There's no moment. So this is a
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AUDIENCE: Should the moment come from the ICR load?
PROFESSOR: Oh, you're right. I don't know what I'm thinking. I could have messed this up. It's got
to be about the ICR. So the force is down. Ooh, it's got to be this one.
I messed up-- good catch. So that's a cosine, still L/2. You've got a theta. You have
a-- this is also theta. And we're looking now for this side. Eh, it's still sine theta,
right? Does the sign still work out the right way?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].
PROFESSOR: Good, OK, I've got to keep rolling. I've got something else really fun I want to talk
about. So let's do this example quickly. This is mostly to get you to think about free
body diagrams. This-- two rigid bodies. The degrees of freedom quickly here-- 6
times 2. There's no particles-- minus c, so 12 minus c.
Now how many? What does your intuition tell you? How many independent
coordinates is it going to take to solve this problem? Hold up your fingers. I see two,
Well, I think you can find 10 constraints in this problem. If you assume it doesn't roll
over and you assume it doesn't move, you can find 10. You're going to need two
coordinates. Because just because you've got a spring and a dashpot, they don't fix.
They don't say there's any particular relation between the motion of this and the
You don't need an independent coordinate to describe the motion of each of these
masses. And I'd probably choose a coordinate that, let's say, goes from the center
of mass of this one. I'll call it x1, center of mass of this one call it x2. And because
I've been doing problems, vibration problems and stuff like this, for a long time, I'll
tell you it's smart to start your coordinates at 0 when you have zero spring forces.
Or from the static equilibrium position-- that's the good place to start.
So then your answer, if you're at the static equilibrium position, then any non-zero
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answers that come out of it are movement around that point. That's what mother
nature does. A spring hanging on a mass hanging on a spring, it has a static
equilibrium position. The vibration occurs around it. Your car is sitting on the
ground. The vibration is around its static equilibrium position. So you usually choose
And you'll find that that makes for the simplest equations of motion. They tend to not
have constants on the right hand side that's caused by gravity or offsets or things
like that. So this thing, actually a problem very similar to this is on your homework.
The homework says, go find what these 10 are. So you can name them pretty fast.
What I do want to do quickly here is just talk about how you assign free body
diagrams for this problem. Because people, one of the most easiest thing to get
confused about is figuring out the directions of the forces that come from the
So I've made my x's so that x1 is 0 when this thing is at its static equilibrium
position. And I'm going to start by assuming that x1 and x1 dot are positive. You just
establish positive motions. And you deduce the direction of the spring and dashpot
forces.
OK, and you do them one at a time. The problems we're doing here are linear.
Spring force is equal to kx. Dashpot forces are Bx dot. So they're linear problems.
So the superposition holds. You can just do these conceptually one at a time and
figure them out. And then you add them all together to get the complete answer.
So if x1 moves in the positive direction, what is the direction that that spring puts on
this mass as a result? Which direction is it? And my coordinate system is positive.
Here's x1.
We'll do the same thing here. Here's x2. So if it moves in the positive direction out to
here, what is the spring going to do? No other motion allowed in the system, just
that one. It moves a little bit. What does the spring do on that mass?
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AUDIENCE: Push back.
PROFESSOR: Push back kx. And I let the sign be indicated by the direction of the arrow. And I'll
use that when I write out my equation of motion. OK, now I'm going to assume a
positive bx1, so its velocity in that direction. What does the dashpot do?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].
AUDIENCE: Resist.
PROFESSOR: Pushes back, right? OK, so you have another force here, bx1 dot. Now, this is if you
have two bodies. You have to have two free body diagrams, one for each. But I
need to know what's the effect of x2 and x2 dot on this body. Well, let's just go do
the same thing. Let's let x2 be positive.
Now it's the only motion. I have a positive movement of x2 that stretches the spring.
What is that spring force applied to this? What direction is it in? This body is moving
in that way.
PROFESSOR: Which way is the spring going to pull on this thing? It's going to pull on it, right? So
k, by amount kx2, and of positive velocity, to the right. It makes the dashpot open
AUDIENCE: Positive x.
PROFESSOR: bx2 dot. And now in this problem, except for gravity, I've got a normal force f and an
Mg down. But all the action, all the motion, is in the horizontal direction. I can write
out an equation of motion for the first rigid body here. And that's a sum of the forces
in the x direction on body one-- I'll give this a 1 here-- in the x is equal to M1 x1
double dot. And now I can just write it out.
It is k x2, because that one's positive, minus x1 plus b x2 dot minus x1 dot. And that
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has the signs right. And the whole key is just one at a time assume positive motions
and deduce what happens, and then use the arrows, the direction of the arrows, to
set the signs. And now there's your equation of motion.
Now we can do the same thing, sum of the forces on 2 in the x 2 direction, M2 x2
double dot. And now we would do exactly the same thing. So positive motion of x1,
what does it do over here? It gives me a force through the spring in which direction,
positive or negative?
AUDIENCE: Positive.
PROFESSOR: Right, so now you just end up with a kx1, bx1 dot. And you'll find that kx2 bx2 dot.
And you sum it up. And you'll end up-- this should switch around, k x1 minus x2 plus
b x1 dot minus x2 dot.
I've got two equations of motion. And they're mixed. So each one has both
coordinates in it. So this problem has two questions of motion, and they're coupled.
OK, now we're going to move on to a subject which has come up in conversation.
People have asked about this lots of time. And they say, what about the centrifugal
How many of you use or heard the word used "fictitious force"? And how many of
you heard us say that centripetal acceleration is not a force, it's an acceleration?
And yet we love to talk about this concept of centrifugal force, which doesn't exist.
But it trips us all up. Because it's handy to think about it. And so we're going to talk
about fictitious forces now.
They're handy. But they are dangerous. You really have to understand your
fundamentals if you're going to use the concept of fictitious forces without getting
Well, Newton's law, let's start there, Newton's second. Sum of the forces external on
the body equals a mass times acceleration. It's a vector equation. So we can break
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it down into its components.
So a fictitious force, you take the true acceleration times the mass. So you have a
fictitious force. It's going to multiply the true acceleration times the mass and put it
on the summation of forces side of the equation.
That's really all it is. And you move it over to this side of the equation. And you think
of it as a force. So what you've done is you've said that the summation of the forces
minus Ma-- because to move it over here, you've got to subtract it from this side--
equals 0. And you're saying, I'm just going to think of this as a force. And it makes
this whole equation be conveniently equal to 0.
But now, that's kind of abstract. Let's see if we can figure out an example or two to
illustrate this. I'm sure you've done this problem in physics. I'm going to pick a really
elementary problem so you don't get hung up on the physics to start with.
This is the elevator problem. You've got cables pulling it up. You've got some scales
in here, and you're standing on it. Here's your center of mass. We'll call that A. And I
need a coordinate system, my inertial system. Newton's law only applies in inertial
systems. So here's my x. I called this z here. I'll call this y.
So I need to write an equation of motion about this person riding up in the elevator.
We take a look at it. How many degrees of freedom? Intuitively obvious-- it's
probably how many?
AUDIENCE: One.
PROFESSOR: One-- all sorts of constraints. It's only going up. So we're going to say we need one
degree of freedom. Free body diagrams-- well, this object has some force pushing
This is your mass. It has a force pulling down on it, mg. And that's it. Now this N is
going to work out to be what the scales read, right? Because it's coming through the
And the problem here is, define the weight on the scales. So we say that the
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summation of the forces in the y direction-- and in this problem, we would say it's
the mass times the acceleration of point A with respect to O. And the sum of those
forces-- you've got an N minus mg. And that's a pretty simple equation.
Now I'm going to specify. It's given that acceleration of A with respect to O is 1/4 of
g. So that's what the cables in the elevator are doing. It's making this thing move,
and it's going up at 1/4 of g, the N acceleration. So it's getting faster and faster.
OK, so if I solve this for N, I will get-- let me stop there for a second. It's normally
what I would just do. But since we're talking about fictitious forces, I need to go
through that step for a second.
So now I say that, well, the summation of the forces in the y direction here minus M
acceleration of A with respect to O, that total is equal to 0. And that then is N minus
And now I have taken this upward acceleration. And I've treated it like a force. I've
just moved it to this other side, set the whole thing equal to 0. This is the fictitious
force. I'm going to say, OK, that's all the forces in the system, solve for N. And of
course you get N is M times g plus g/4. And that's 5/4 mg. And so you read 25%
heavier.
It's a really trivial example. But the notion is that you think of this as a force that's
been applied. It's the mass times acceleration with a minus sign in front of it. It'll
always turn out like that. It's minus the mass times the acceleration.
Now, the acceleration can come from Coriolis acceleration. It can come from
centripetal acceleration. So if we do this in a rotating thing, this fictitious force might
be the centrifugal force, which is minus M times the centripetal acceleration. And
we'll do an example like that. All right, stop-- there we go.
OK, trivial example-- let's see if we can find something a little harder. How are we
doing on time? We're doing pretty good. So let's do an example where the notion is
really quite powerful. Now, I showed you this last time. And we talked a lot about--
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we did the time derivative is the angular momentum. And we computed the torques
that this thing exerts around different axes with respect to the point of attachment to
this.
Well, this is an example which, if you're comfortable with fictitious forces, you can
figure out those torques really rather quickly. So I'm going to-- these two problems
are identical. This problem, or with a shaft running like that, are really exactly
identical. But I'm going to pretend that my thing is made this way. Because it makes
it easier to see where these torques are coming from.
So here's my z. And I've got my rotation about the z-axis. Here's this mass, my
coordinates. Here's my r hat. Here's my z k hat, is this distance here. And I'm going
to set conditions in the problem, my rotation rate. It's also theta dot about the k z-
axis. And omega dot, theta double dot-- also in the k. It's not restricted. So I'm
allowing this thing to accelerate.
But r dot equals r double dot is 0. So it's not changing a position. It's just fixed. And I
need to figure out the forces on this thing and talk about how we might consider
some of them as fictitious forces.
So let's think about in the r direction-- summation of the forces here in this r hat
direction. So it's one vector component. I don't have to carry along all of the other
baggage. It's equal to-- and I'll call this B.
This is going to be the point about which I care about things. There's a fixed
coordinate system here, Oxyz. But then a rotating coordinate system-- we'll call this
A. And it's going to have my coordinates. I'll use polar coordinates, r theta z. But this
one rotates. But it also has its origin right there coincident with O.
So the sum in the r direction, then, we have the mass times the acceleration of B
with respect to O. And the acceleration of B with respect to O is the acceleration of--
we'll just write out the whole formula using cylindrical coordinates.
r double dot minus r theta dot squared, this is in the r hat, plus r theta double dot
plus 2r dot theta dot in the theta hat direction. That's my full expression for--
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whoops, not quite full. Forgot a term, right? There we go.
That's my full expression for acceleration using cylindrical coordinates, but with a
moving, possibly translating and rotating reference frame. This piece here counts
for what?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].
PROFESSOR: It's the translational acceleration of the A frame. So we can account for it. In this
case, what is that? OK, so this term is 0. But this formula you really need to know.
Because it accounts for all of the accelerations in the problem.
You know that, you just go in and start assigning, picking out things. What's this? 0.
Is this 0? No, how about this one? Not 0-- I'm allowing it to accelerate. This one--
definitely 0. And this one? 0.
So I don't have many terms left in this. So this then is the mass times minus r theta
dot squared. And this is r hat plus r theta double dot in the theta hat direction. Now I
said I was summing the forces in the r. I put all of them in at the moment. It may be
smarter to do that. Let me reverse course here.
This is the vector summation of all the forces for a moment. And then we'll take the r
component next. So just the r component, the summation of the forces in the r, we
look at this, and we say, oh, it's just that minus Mr theta dot squared r hat. So that's
the r direction. But now we need a free body diagram. Yeah?
PROFESSOR: Oh, because that's r dot 0. So in my r direction, this is my acceleration. That's the
only acceleration in the r direction. It's what we know to be centripetal. And the
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So looking-- a side view. Here's your bead. I'm going to draw it as an unknown here.
There is an unknown force in the r direction that comes from this bar holding it. It's
applying-- there's got to be a force that makes this go in a circle. And that bar is
It's the only thing [INAUDIBLE]. I'll just call this unknown and r. And I'm just drawing
it in the positive direction. The way you can do this, if you're not sure the direction,
draw it positive. And the sign that falls out tells you what the right answer is.
There'll be some force in the z provided by the rod. There'll be Mg. And that should
be it. If we did a top view, then there'd be an unknown in the theta direction. You'd
also see the N in the r direction. And anything else? No, the Mg is down where you
can't see it. So these are your two free body diagrams.
So now, in this direction, this is the acceleration. And the external forces are just
that. So the sum of the forces is Nr. Now I want to treat it, bring in this concept of a
fictitious force. I'm going to move the acceleration term to the other side.
Nr-- unknown positive. Now I'm going to move that acceleration term over here
minus-- ah, but now it's minus the acceleration. So this term looks like that, has a
minus sign. If you move it over here, that actually becomes plus, equals 0.
Now this is your fictitious force. Sometimes people call them inertial forces. And it
acts like it's pulling out on the object. So the force that the mass appears to apply to
And of course now we can solve for Nr. And we find it's minus Mr theta dot squared,
which we knew all along. It's the force applied to the mass by the arm as it spins
Now, we could do the same thing in the theta direction. The theta direction will have
an Mr theta double dot. And when we look at the theta free body diagram, it's plus N
theta. You could solve that, and you immediately come up with a solution for the
force in the theta direction. I'm just going to write that one down. When you solve for
this one, you get a minus sign. This one ends up plus, Mr theta double dot.
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I'm not going to go through the gyrations of getting to this. You can do that one.
Now, I want to do one quick thing with this. Once you develop confidence in knowing
when you can use a fictitious force and not get in trouble, this is the sort of thing you
might do.
Here's my system. It's rotating. And I want a quick estimate of, what's the torque?
What's the bending moment about this point caused by the fact that it is the
AUDIENCE: 0.
PROFESSOR: No, not 0. About this point here-- this is O. And I've got that centrifugal force pulling
out on this fictitious force. Yeah?
PROFESSOR: Yeah, in the-- this direction, which is theta, right? So that's the moment the torque
about this point caused by that-- torque at O is minus Mr theta dot squared times z,
the moment arm. And it's not minus. It's in that direction. So it's plus. It's in the theta
hat direction, the torque, that that force is applying about this point.
We could have solved this problem the way we did in the last lecture, very carefully
going through the dh dt's and following it all out. And we would have gotten that
answer for the torque except for a minus sign.
Now, why the difference? This is the torque that the centripetal force causes down
here. When you do dh dt, you get the torque required to make what's happening
This is the torque. This is putting about that. There must be an equal and opposite
torque that this system puts on this arm out here to keep it from flopping out.
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So this is applying a torque here. It must resist with a torque. And so when you do
dh dt, you're going to end up with a minus Mr theta dot squared theta hat. So you've
got to be careful what you mean. But from an engineering point of view, if I were just
trying to calculate the bending moment down here and deciding whether or not this
shaft sticking out here is going to break off or not, I could make a very quick
estimate of the bending moment by knowing this centrifugal force times the moment
arm. Yeah?
expression?
PROFESSOR: A v, a velocity?
AUDIENCE: A z.
PROFESSOR: A z, yeah, right. I'm just getting a little speedy in writing the equation. Good catch.
All right, so now, we also have a theta direction thing here, right? We can think of a
fictitious force in the theta direction. And that was the Mr theta double dot term.
Does it generate torques that you could quickly compute? So as this thing is trying
to accelerate in the positive acceleration, omega dot, theta double dot, it's trying to
accelerate into the board. The bar is having to push that thing into the board.
There's a force in the positive theta hat direction. But the fictitious inertial force is
the mass pushing back on the rod, pushing this way, Mr theta double dot pushing
this way. What moments does that cause about this point?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].
PROFESSOR: So there's actually two moment arms. If you have a force this way now, the force in,
I'll call it, the theta direction is Mr theta double dot. Now, this is my fictitious force.
This is this fictitious force. It's in the minus theta hat direction. It's pushing back. It's
in the minus theta hat direction, Mr theta double dot.
And a torque is some R cross with the force. And this R is that, RBA. And it's
composed of r R hat and z k hat here. So we have to do a little r r hat plus z k hat
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crossed with minus Mr theta double dot theta hat. So you get an r hat cross theta
gives you a k.
A k cross theta hat gives you an r. You're going to get two terms out of this. One is
going to look like Mr squared theta double dot. And that's a torque. And that is the
one that it takes to-- that's the torque about this axis. There's a force times this
moment arm. That's a torque about this axis.
That's the actual torque it takes to speed this thing up. And then there's a torque
about this axis, which is this length times this force. And that's the other term. That'll
give you the term in the R direction. It'll be a twist. It'll be trying to twist this bar like
that. Because there's a force in this direction. Yeah.
AUDIENCE: It seems like these forces are coming from the systems. They aren't even fictitious.
PROFESSOR: So she's asking, it's like the forces are real. But the force-- I mean, this is why
fictitious forces, this concept of them, is so dangerous. It's because it's really
tempting to start thinking of them like real forces.
So any time you get stuck, you go back to the basics. And you say, Newton's law, F
equals ma, you see torques is dh dt plus that v cross p term if you need it. And you
And then you are dealing-- and then Coriolis, centripetal, Euler terms are only
accelerations. You treat them as pure accelerations. That's all they are. Now, to
cause accelerations, you need to apply forces. And we give these forces names.
Because it's helpful conceptually to think about these things as forces sometimes.
But they are not real forces.
But it's quick and easy. If you get too comfortable with them, they are great assets
to your intuition. So I know immediately just looking at this thing, as soon as I see a
machine that has a part that rotates like this, I say, rotational motion. That's central,
circular motion, must be the equivalent of a centrifugal force.
This mass is going to pull in that direction. Because it's going around and around.
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And it's going to cause a moment about this thing. I know for sure that's got to be
there. And if I'm going to do it rigorously, I call it centripetal acceleration. And I
compute. It's really the force that this bar puts on that mass to make it go in a circle.
But it's handy to think of it as a force if what I'm interested in is the force. The other
even better-- let's go back to the old really simple demonstration. This thing going
around constant speed, there's definitely a tension in the string. And I am pulling.
The tension is inward, right? That tension causes an acceleration of r theta dot
But it's easy. If you ask me, come on, Kim, quick, tell me, what's the tension in the
string, I just say, that's easy-- Mr theta dot squared, centrifugal force. They're
handy.
But any time you get stuck, go back and be really strict and say, what's
acceleration? And what's real external forces? Gravity is an external force. The
force that the bar puts on the mass, that's a real force. But these other things are
just accelerations.
All right, OK, hey, perfect. I didn't get to the thing I really wanted to do. So I'll do it
next time. And I'm going to show you this thing. And I want you to fill out your muddy
cards. I'm giving you a couple minutes. So this is a mechanical shaker. You see it
moving already. And we're going to talk about that next time.
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