This reduce implementation concerns me, as it looks like it will make everything much slower, even for exception instances where self->kwargs isn't set.

Instead, I'd recommend migrating BaseException away from implementing __reduce__ directly, and instead have it implement __getnewargs_ex__: https://docs.python.org/3/library/pickle.html#object.__getnewargs_ex__

That way the pickle machinery will take care of calling __new__ with the correct arguments, and you wouldn't need to introduce a weird dependency from a core builtin into a standard library module.

(That would have potential backwards compatibility implications for subclasses implementing reduce based on the parent class implementation, but the same would hold true for introduce a partial object in place of a direct reference to the class - either way, there'll need to be a note in the Porting section of the What's New guide, and switching to __get_newargs_ex__ will at least have the virtue of simplifying the code rather than making it more complicated)

I tried to do that, I removed __reduce__ and added __getnewargs_ex__ to the methods as:

static PyObject *
BaseException_getnewargs_ex(PyBaseExceptionObject *self, PyObject *Py_UNUSED(ignored))
{
    PyObject *args = PyObject_GetAttrString((PyObject *) self, "args");
    PyObject *kwargs = PyObject_GetAttrString((PyObject *) self, "kwargs");

    if (args == NULL || kwargs == NULL) {
        return NULL;
    }

    return Py_BuildValue("(OO)", args, kwargs);
}

but it brocke pickling. Did I miss something?

Oh, found my mistake, using __getnewargs_ex__ broke pickling for protocols 0 and 1. Is this expected?

I don't think this happened when using a partial reference on the the constructor of the class.

Maybe it's ok to broke pickling support for protocols 0 and 1 since it was broken for keyword args anyway?

Defining __reduce_ex__ would let you restore the old behaviour for those protocols, but I'm not sure __getnewargs_ex__ will still be called if you do that (we're reaching the limits of my own pickle knowledge).

@pitrou Do you have any recommendations here? (Context: trying to get BaseException to pickle keyword args properly, wanting to use __getnewargs_ex__ for more recent pickle protocols, but wondering how to handle the older protocols that don't use that)

How should I call object.__reduce_ex__?

It seems to me that calling the builtin super is not done anywhere in the source code but I don't find the right way to do it.

Do I need to call object___reduce_ex__ directly?

@ncoghlan Well, I'm not sure why you wouldn't implement the entire logic in __reduce_ex__, instead of also defining __getnewargs_ex__?

Or, rather, you could just define __getnewargs_ex__ and stop caring about protocols 0 and 1 (which are extremely obsolete by now, so we want to maintain compatibility, but fixing bugs in them is not important).

@pitrou I only suggested delegating to __getnewargs_ex__ because I wasn't sure how to mimic that behaviour from inside a custom __reduce_ex__ implementation.

But if __reduce__ still gets called for protocols 0 and 1 even when __getnewargs_ex__ is defined, then that's even better.

Hi @pitrou @ncoghlan, thanks for you input. I pushed a new commit that implement __getnewargs_ex__ but it seems that __reduce_ex__ does not check it and call __reduce__ no matter what the protocol is:

>>> BaseException().__reduce_ex__(0)
(<class 'BaseException'>, ())
>>> BaseException().__reduce_ex__(1)
(<class 'BaseException'>, ())
>>> BaseException().__reduce_ex__(2)
(<class 'BaseException'>, ())
>>> BaseException().__reduce_ex__(3)
(<class 'BaseException'>, ())
>>> BaseException().__reduce_ex__(4)
(<class 'BaseException'>, ())
>>> BaseException().__getnewargs_ex__()
((), {})

If I remove the __reduce__, then it breaks pickling for protocols 0 and 1:

>>> BaseException().__reduce_ex__(0)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/Users/remi/src/cpython/Lib/copyreg.py", line 66, in _reduce_ex
    raise TypeError(f"cannot pickle {cls.__name__!r} object")
TypeError: cannot pickle 'BaseException' object
>>> BaseException().__reduce_ex__(1)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/Users/remi/src/cpython/Lib/copyreg.py", line 66, in _reduce_ex
    raise TypeError(f"cannot pickle {cls.__name__!r} object")
TypeError: cannot pickle 'BaseException' object
>>> BaseException().__reduce_ex__(2)
(<function __newobj__ at 0x105c63040>, (<class 'BaseException'>,), None, None, None)
>>> BaseException().__reduce_ex__(3)
(<function __newobj__ at 0x105c63040>, (<class 'BaseException'>,), None, None, None)
>>> BaseException().__reduce_ex__(4)
(<function __newobj__ at 0x105c63040>, (<class 'BaseException'>,), None, None, None)

Do I need to define a custom __reduce_ex__ as well?

I dug further and it seems my issue comes from https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Lib/copyreg.py#L66, I will look into the details tomorrow.