As long as I don’t have to deal with matrices, I’m cool.
Granted. You should brush up on your tensor calculus, though.
We’re gatekeeping science now?
This is just the equivalent of “oh you like <band>, name all their albums”. It’s dumb and you don’t need to be an expert to appreciate something.
there should be a gate keep barrier. there is a big difference between a scientist with a degree who works in science, and a science enthusiast.
there’s nothing wrong in the second one, I just think we shouldn’t mix em too much, less we end up with “expert” without qualifications (were already here).
What’s wrong with an amateur publishing a (probably low quality) paper? It’s not going to waste many people’s time, and it’s not common
nothing wrong with a blog or pop sci, just that those aren’t trusted sources.
Meaningless distinction. There are many fields of science an expert in one is not an expert in others.
it’s meaningless in most social context.
except when it matters. when is a real issue, I don’t want TV to interview a science enthusiast about climate change, or vaccines. get real experts.
I love the math that I understand XD
The math subjects that require a lot of prerequisite knowledge are usually what I avoid. Without a project in mind, it becomes a huge waste of time to try to understand.
Oh you like Space?
Name every celestial body.
your mom
That’s a) impossible; and b) if limited enough to be possible would take too long to be practical
Dumb meme. You can enjoy something without dedication or being good at it.
I like watching F1 highlights (not even full race lmao) and only vehicle I can drive is a bicycle. 🤷♂️
Don’t sell yourself short.
If you can ride a bicycle, you can probably handle a tricycle.
Don’t sell yourself short.
OP has a point. Star Wars is not science fiction, it’s religious fantasy.
It’s definitely not engineering otherwise they wouldn’t use 12 ft thick catwalks in space.
Watching races becomes way better if one plays some sim racing games and gets into adjusting the car for the track. Racing is a rare sport that one can somewhat experience themselves without athletic training.
Sure, because baseball fans are the physical elite of the sports world. Playing a video game is nothing like actual track racing.
And they’re saying that’s you.
Well the meme is still stupid. :) Basically trying to say that only people who studied science are qualified to say they like science.
Their face doesn’t go 🫤 at the sight of hard math & theory? The statement’s that it does.
Maybe they’re trying to say that science (at least, Phys) without advanced calculus is “just” outreach or popularization. And they’re right, even if your sensibility can’t accept it.
Does an F1 driver need to understand and utilize advanced calculus on the track to do well? I feel that concepts like grip/slip, aero, centripetal force, and weight transfer are intimately linked to an intuition for physics, even if they aren’t being understood at a calculus-requiring level by the driver.
Yet, I would struggle to call that situation “outreach” or “popularizarion.” I would still consider the driver’s understanding of physics as tangential to science.
IMO you need basic calculus to understand the laws of physics. Like at least to understand that the derivative is the rate of change, the integral is the area under the curve, the fundamental theorem(s) of calculus, and what limits are. You don’t necessarily need to do δ-ε proofs, but at least the qualitative stuff is worth teaching.
I took algebra-based physics for my music degree and then calculus-based physics for my engineering degree. Algebra-based physics explained basically nothing for me and had zero impact on my understanding of the world. Calculus-based physics will stick with me forever.
Like I’m with you that outreach is important and should not be dismissed, but I really don’t see the utility of algebra-based physics.
A F1 driver is not a scientist. And no, you’re wrong.
I know they’re not a scientist. But to say they have no grasp or interest in science would also be wrong, so I think the answer lies somewhere in the gray area, and not this black and white perspective presented in OP.
You can be enthusiastic and have a simplified-but-robust understanding of some kinds of science, that doesn’t make you less of an enjoyer. But there are certainly people who only understand at a surface level, yet pretend to be immersed in the material and demand to be treated like experts.
Most F1 drivers have no education beyond high school. Lance Stroll barely has a grasp of grammar.
They just like looking at sciences tits. To be honest so do I
Mammary studies are a very advanced field. There are so many cup sizes and don’t get me started on how they relate to other measurements. And then there’s nipples, how do they even work?
why is the anglophone sphere calling every slightly complex phenomenon science? science is a method, AFAIK, that produces reliable knowledge over time.
for example how is the sun itself science? sure, there’s knowledge to be made about composition, dynamics etc., but when this knowledge gets widely shared without the goal of expanding existing knowledge for the goal of education or entertainment, hasn’t this long left the field of science?
for science, why aren’t you saying you love edutainment?
At school, topics are divided into Arts, Science and Humanities. The majority of Bachelor’s degrees are titled Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science.
Using the word “Science” colloquially to describe anything that isn’t the Arts or Humanities is entirely consistent.
German has Geistes- (Spirit/Mind) Sciences and Natural Sciences.
I don’t see how the imprecision of calling it simply Science is valid though, given that it’s just a lukewarm repost of the age old quantitative vs qualitative research war.
I have a similar issue with the word research. Do your own research - wtf. Research is either standing in the lab and actually experimenting, or conducting (clinical) studies, or at the very least an extensive literature research that even for a paper takes days (more like weeks and months) and a lot of knowledge on the field as well as methods for literature research in this sphere to be conducted properly. I absolutely don’t want you to do your own research about my field of study. You probably have a job and don’t want to go to university for 6 years to understand my niche.
I said I love science, not that I know it or can practice it, they’re different things.
Science is a process, and it’s really simple:
- Form a hypothesis (make a statement of what you want to test, ensure it is testable; if it’s not testable it’s not amenable to science)
- Come up with how to test the hypothesis
- Test the hypothesis
- Publish the results and details
There are technical bits that make that easier, but the big parts are keeping records of what you’ve done and what the results were
Some hypotheses are expensive to test, best leave those to the well funded pros
calculus isn’t science
Physics, engineering, statistics, economics, and mathematically modeling in general aren’t science? Big claim there, bud.
Calculus is a tool used in science, absolutely. But calculus itself is not science, in the same way that a chisel is not woodworking.
Ah, ok. Then math isn’t science, it’s just a tool for physics, computer science, and such. Also physics isn’t science, it’s just a tool for engineering and biology. Biology and chemistry aren’t sciences, they’re just tools for medicine and agriculture.
Sure, that’s exactly what I said. Speaking of tools…
Engineering is not science. It uses science.
But what about engineering science?
Isn’t that materials science?
I’m not familiar with what they do. Describe it and I might be able to. Or not.
Well it’s a tool, and a science in itself too, I guess, if you go into advanced fronter mathematics
you forgot Art.
It me. I love science but I’m definitely a YouTube learner and terrible at calc.
It’s all so fascinating though! Keep it up scientists!
4chan-tier childish elitism in Facebook-tier packaging 👍
Math is the language of the universe. Unfortunately I’m dyslexic.
I can understand complicated molecular interactions but throw numbers in my face and I’m the dumbest person in the room.
Dyscalculia is the word you’re looking for
It’s fun that I had no idea this word existed, and this is now the second Lemmy comment today that’s used it.
What a beautifully fitting name for it
If there’s advanced calculus, there’s presumably also regular calculus, so at what point does calculus start to be advanced?
For me, the leap to multivariate calculus gave me a lot of trouble.
Differential equations was doable but no longer fun for me, either.
It was a combination of multivariate calculus, linear algebra, and differential equations where I just wasn’t having fun with math anymore. Those subjects represented the end of pure math education for me, and later engineering classes requiring knowledge in those were also not a ton of fun. Went from a self-described math and science guy to just…not describing myself in that way anymore.
Honestly the standard curriculum was fine. It was when you got into trying to apply those skills to deciphering academic literature in a meaningful way as part of a broader career that things got tricky.
Is it just that it becomes so difficult/technical at that point?
At a certain point my pattern recognition skills reached their limit to where learning each new concept was still the same, but I had a lot more trouble organically seeing and identifying when a particular technique was useful for a particular type of problem. Which is something that happens to a lot of different people at different stages of their math education, just happens to different people at different points.
And maybe I could’ve stuck with it, or used it enough to where I eventually got it easily the way I had done with all math topics before that, but I ended up steering the rest of my engineering education into topics that weren’t as heavy on that type of math. More programming and logic and microcontrollers, less electromagnetics and radio signals.
In my experience, it really wasn’t an “advanced subject” for me. Sure, the majority of majors who are trying to become doctors, CS, or computer engineers only have to take up to calc 2 (and diff eq) for their bachelors, but I still wouldn’t say MVC or diff eq is an advanced math subject. Real analysis or algebra – where you have to take a math course on mathematical proofs before taking these classes – is where I’ll say math becomes more abstract on its applications and advanced.
Diff eq was not challenging at all, I spent probably 6 hours a week on average (which includes the 4 hours of lecture). Its as simple as solving a linear equations, with it being slightly more tedious. If you understand derivatives, integrals, and partial fraction decomp (for Laplace transforms) its a breeze of a class.
MVC on the other hand was slightly more challenging, but having finished calculus 2, that too was also very enjoyable.
Point is, MVC and diff eq aren’t hard classes I wouldn’t even call them advanced classes as that title goes to analysis.
The start of calculus is relatively easy and intuitive, ive heard there are some schools that teach the basics of it to children at the same time they normally learn algebra.
Then theres the real bastard calculus that can and will make grown adults cry.
Regular algebra makes me cry…
I had a full blown melt down over something called linear algebra. Good times, good times.
When I calc the ulus
I can think of a few potential cut offs, taking differential calculus to be basic.
Integral calculus. Multivariate calculus. Differential equations. Epsilon-Lamba calculus.
But that’s just my opinion.
After three semesters
Probably around analysis and abstract algebra which come after multi variate calculus and differential equations.
When there is more letters than numbers. When the letters change to weird shapes (integral). When there are multiple successive brackets. I dunno, I am not a mathematician.
More than one variable.
From my experience, books titled “advanced calculus” cover the fundamentals in a lot more detail, with focus on δ-ε proofs. Usually, “advanced calculus” comes between elementary calculus (Calc 1-3 in a US institution) and real analysis.
Loved complex analysis. Poles for days. Such weird maths
Kursgesagt Hentai? Where?
Unfortunately, it’s not just Kursgesagt Hentai.
It only Kursgesagt and Rick and Morty Hentai.
~Actually, curiosity got the better of me and after taking a brief look, there is Kursgesagt Hentai. I just really don’t want to interact with it anymore than I already have.~
Yeah let’s get rid of science communication altogether
I am sure everything will be just fine
SciComm or Edutainment?
