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  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    21 days ago

    Can we do away with trillion dollar companies already,. please? They’re not doing anything good for anyone, it always ends with some CEO’s and shareholders enriching themselves over the backs of others

    No company should ba r a worth of more than a billion dollars

    No single person should have a net worth of over 10 million

    • TronBronson@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      to be fair amazon has revenues of 700 billion a year. apple is like 400. You can tax the profits down to nothing but like, we can’t all get iPhones if apple is worth 1billion. im not even sure if they can make an iPhone with 1 billion.

      I think the individual 10m is fine, but like, apple has a billion customers. im gonna lose all my photos if they are worth a billion dollars and no new phone. billions of people trying to get a product now, it makes sense that some companies are worth trillions. regulate and tax the shit out of them.

      • veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world
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        21 days ago

        im gonna lose all my photos if they are worth a billion dollars and no new phone.

        This is some weird mental hoops you are going through to reach that conclusion.

        You have to imagine a world before enshittification , where interoperability was a thing and your media wasn’t held hostage behind a gated platform.

        • TronBronson@lemmy.world
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          21 days ago

          I was in a world before enshitification I vividly remember the hopes of the 1990s. Watching hand held cameras get into the hands of the masses, expanding art and culture of the time. Watching that turn into YouTube and regular people getting paid to entertain regular people. I remember all the dead promises friend. Supply chains are too complicated to place an arbitrary market cap of 1 billion dollars. it doesn’t make sense when companies now serve billions of people. I’m not going to be able to open up a small business of producing iPhones. That requires an insane amount of resources that you probably cannot fathom if you think a billion dollars is a reasonable market cap. I just wanted to point out that a lot of things you enjoy wouldn’t exist in this imagined rule.

          So id love to hear how you reorder the global economy and supply chains under a “1 billion dollar company max valuation” How do you get things like iPhones and server farms that hold a billion peoples data?

        • TronBronson@lemmy.world
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          21 days ago

          Thank you! I’m working on ditching adobe and apple currently. one day I’ll be a real linux boi. I have hard drive space just no time to do the transfers and file hunting. If I wasn’t over worked, underpaid and exhausted I would have used a better example. An ASML lithography machine costs 400 Million dollars. So idk how anyone is going to produce chips and be worth less than a billion dollars. OP example needs better numbers. Saying companies can’t be worth more than a billion dollars screams: “I don’t know how anything I enjoy is made!!!” vibes.

          • Turret3857@infosec.pub
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            21 days ago

            Yeah I totally hear you on the time thing. I think the stuff on Apple Photos should be relatively easy to import to immich and ente just based on a quick skimming of the guides. But like you said, having to find the time is understandable. I wish you luck on your journey to becoming a real linux boi, lol

            Your original example made sense I just wanted to share something in case it was helpful, your new example makes sense too though :p

    • bearboiblake@pawb.social
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      21 days ago

      Under any system where people have power over others, power will begin to concentrate into fewer and fewer hands, until it becomes a problem. The only solution is anarchism.

  • xenomor@lemmy.world
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    22 days ago

    Personally, I am eyeballs deep in this industry and even I’m now hoping to see it all burn to the ground. I’ve already concluded that I’ll never make it to retirement in my field, probably because of automation. Fuck ‘em all.

    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
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      21 days ago

      The industry is not that bad, but it’s just one of them.

      People need art. And art doesn’t survive in environments where there should be a winner and winner takes all.

      Art is the social alternative of recessive genes. It allows to preserve more than needed “right now in this particular situation”. Without art there’s degeneracy.

        • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
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          21 days ago
          1. Artists need to eat.

          2. Art needs to be a commercial success to defend itself from commercial successes it hurts.

          3. Computing industry notably positions itself as replacing art (I don’t mean digital art like tracker music or 3d modeling), in many things where, say, car industry doesn’t. But the suggested replacements are not that. Similarly to how journalism can only be adversarial and offensive to most points of view, otherwise it’s just public relations, because it doesn’t improve anything. Improvement is always adversarial.

        • TronBronson@lemmy.world
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          21 days ago

          If you’re a great artist who’s work does not exist in a commercial space (gallery or Facebook platform or website or whatever) and it gets thrown in a dump when you die, did it express anything at all?

  • mcv@lemmy.zip
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    22 days ago

    OpenAI’s mounting costs — set to hit $1.4 trillion

    Sorry, but WTF!? $1.4 Trillion in costs? How are they going to make all of that back with just AI?

    I think there’s only one way they can make this back: if AI gets so good they can really replace most employees.

    I don’t think it will happen, but either way it’s going to be an economic disaster. Either the most valuable companies in the world, offering services that the next couple of hundred companies in the world depend on, are suddenly bankrupt. Or suddenly everybody is unemployed.

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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      22 days ago

      If LLMs fail and they invested: bailout

      If LLMs succeed and they invested: rich

      If LLMs fail and they passed: everyone else bailed out

      If LLMs succeed and they passed: out of business

      Therefore, the logical choice for a business is to invest in LLMs. The only mechanism to not do the stupid thing that everyone else is doing is gone.

      • bearboiblake@pawb.social
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        21 days ago

        that assumes every business which invests in AI would be bailed out, which is a huge assumption. I would guess the only businesses that would receive bailouts would be those with personal ties to the government

          • mcv@lemmy.zip
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            21 days ago

            They’re systems trained to give plausible answers, not correct ones. Of course correct answers are usually plausible, but so do wrong answers, and on sufficiently complex topics, you need real expertise to tell when they’re wrong.

            I’ve been programming a lot with AI lately, and I’d say the error rate for moderately complex code is about 50%. They’re great at simple boilerplate code, and configuration and stuff that almost every project uses, but if you’re trying to do something actually new, they’re nearly useless. You can lose a lot of time going down a wrong path, if you’re not careful.

            Never ever trust them. Always verify.

            • BanMe@lemmy.world
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              21 days ago

              I’m not one to stump for AI but 2-3 years ago we would have said AI struggled to kick out a working Powershell script and now the error rate for complex scripts is maybe 5%. The tech sped up very fast, and now they’re getting runtime environments to test the code they write, memories and project libraries. the tech will continue to improve. In 2026, 2028 are we still going to be saying the same about how AI can’t really handle coding or take people’s jobs? Quite a bit less. In 2030, less still.

              There is a point beyond which no refinements can be made but just looking backward a bit, I don’t think we’re there yet.

              Just in the past few months, I’d say Claude has gotten good enough to let us downsize our team from 3.5 to 2.5 but thankfully no one is interested in doing that.

          • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works
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            22 days ago

            I use something similar. “Child with enormous vocabulary.”

            It can recognize correlations, it understands the words themselves, but it really how those connections or words work.

          • sirspate@lemmy.ca
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            21 days ago

            Some of the more advanced LLMs are getting pretty clever. They’re on the level of a temp who talks too much, misses nuance, and takes too much initiative. Also, any time you need them to perform too complex a task, they start forgetting details and then entire things you already told them.

        • SabinStargem@lemmy.today
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          22 days ago

          I call dibs on the ghost of Harlan Ellison.


          “HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I’VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.”

    • e461h@sh.itjust.works
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      22 days ago

      Prediction: the bubble is real but financiers will find ways to kick the bull down the road until they can force enough adoption & ad insertion to not lose out. The other option is that we pay it, of course. Takes on which is worse?

  • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
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    22 days ago

    I wonder … will it be another case of “Too Big To Fail” … or will it be … “Let The Market Decide”?

    I’m guessing the answer depends on how many medals the CEO of Oracle can bestow upon the Orange.

    Me … cynical … no … just been here for a while.

  • Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    22 days ago

    OpenAI CEO Sam Altman declared a “code red” last week as the upstart faces greater rivalry from Google, threatening its ability to monetize its AI products and meet its ambitious revenue targets.

    Interesting that even Sam Altman is worried now!
    AFAIK there are also problems that Chinese companies have their own tool chain, and are releasing high level truly open source solutions for AI.

    Seems to me a problem for the sky high profits could be that it is hard to make AI lock in, like is popular with much software and cloud services. But with AI you can use whatever tool is best value, and switch to the competition whenever you want.

    It’s nice that it will probably be impossible for 1 company to monopolize AI, like Microsoft did with operating systems for decades.

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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      22 days ago

      AFAIK there are also problems that Chinese companies have their own tool chain, and are releasing high level truly open source solutions for AI.

      One interesting thing about the Chinese “AI Tigers” is the lack of Tech Bro evangelism.

      They see their models as tools. Not black box magic oracles, not human replacements. And they train/structure/productize them and such.

      But with AI you can use whatever tool is best value, and switch to the competition whenever you want.

      Big Tech is making this really hard, though.

      In the business world, there’s a lot of paranoia about using Chinese LLM weights. Which is totally bogus, but also understandably hard to explain.

      And OpenAI and such are working overtime to lock customers in. See: iOS being ChatGPT-only; no “pick your own API.” Or Disney using Sora when they should really be rolling their own finetune.

    • CosmoNova@lemmy.world
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      22 days ago

      I don‘t know of a single

      truly open source solutions for AI

      from China. China doesn‘t seem very keen on open source as a whole to be honest. That is unless they can monetize on open source projects from outside of China. Their companies love doing that.

          • Buffalox@lemmy.world
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            22 days ago

            The dataset is massive and impractical to share, and a dataset may include bias and conditions for use, and the dataset is a completely separate thing from the code. You would always want to use a dataset that fit your needs. From known sources. It’s easy to collect data. Programming a good AI algorithm not so much.
            Saying a model isn’t open source because collected data isn’t included is like saying a music player isn’t open source, because it doesn’t include any music.

            EDIT!!!

            TheGrandNagus is however right about the source code missing, investigating further, the actual source code is not available. and the point about OSI (Open Source Initiative) is valid, because OSI originally coined the term and defined the meaning of Open Source, so their description is per definition the only correct one.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

            Open source as a term emerged in the late 1990s by a group of people in the free software movement who were critical of the political agenda and moral philosophy implied in the term “free software” and sought to reframe the discourse to reflect a more commercially minded position.[14] In addition, the ambiguity of the term “free software” was seen as discouraging business adoption.[15][16] However, the ambiguity of the word “free” exists primarily in English as it can refer to cost. The group included Christine Peterson, Todd Anderson, Larry Augustin, Jon Hall, Sam Ockman, Michael Tiemann and Eric S. Raymond. Peterson suggested “open source” at a meeting[17] held at Palo Alto, California, in reaction to Netscape’s announcement in January 1998 of a source code release for Navigator.[18] Linus Torvalds gave his support the following day

            • wholookshere@piefed.blahaj.zone
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              22 days ago

              no,

              your changing the definition of open source software. which has been around a lot longer than AI has.

              source code is what defines open source.

              what deepseek has is open weights. they publish the results of their learning only. not the source that produced it.

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                22 days ago

                Still debatable, the weights are the code. That’s a bit like saying “X software is not open source because it has equations but it doesn’t include the proofs that they’re derived from”.

              • Buffalox@lemmy.world
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                21 days ago

                your changing the definition of open source software.

                https://techwireasia.com/2025/07/china-open-source-ai-models-global-rankings/

                The tide has turned. With the December 2024 launch of DeepSeek’s free-for-all V3 large language model (LLM) and the January 2025 release of DeepSeek’s R1 (the AI reasoning model that rivals the capabilities of OpenAI’s O1), the open-source movement started by Chinese firms has sent shockwaves through Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

                And:

                DeepSeek, adopting an open-source approach was an effective strategy for catching up, as it allowed them to use contributions from a broader community of developers.”

                I’ve read similar descriptions in other articles, seems your claim is false.

                EDIT PS:
                Turns out on further investigation that Deepseek is NOT open source, there is NO access to the source code for Deepseek. Only the weights as others have rightfully claimed.

        • CosmoNova@lemmy.world
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          21 days ago

          It‘s open weights but definitely not

          truly open source

          Feel free to blame the technology as a whole but open source doesn‘t make exceptions for AI models.

      • sobchak
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        21 days ago

        Alibaba has released Qwen models under Apache licenses (and they are some of the best models that can reasonably be ran locally). Some argue that models aren’t really open source unless the training code and datasets are made available though.

      • Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz
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        22 days ago

        They are releasing lots of open weight models. If you want to run AI stuff on your own hardware, Chinese models are generally the best.

        They also don’t care about copyright law/licensing, so going forward they will be training their models on more material than Western companies are legally able to.

  • TotalCourage007@lemmy.world
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    22 days ago

    Do y’all think investors will wake up and realize that techbros are a bunch of fraudster scammers? Oracle deserves bankruptcy for being stupid with money. All my homies hate the AI-Bubble.

    Bro even the way journalists talk about AI like it being a bet couldn’t be more obvious that it’s all a scam. If this AI-Bubble is profitable where are the actual god damn profits.

      • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
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        21 days ago

        That’s how every successful fraud works. If it’s not attractive to people who see it’s a fraud, it won’t have their support. If it’s hard to discover as a fraud, it’s also hard to maintain and always has the risk of discovery.

        So the best frauds are those where everyone knows it’s a fraud, and plenty think it’s a fraud they can profit from.

    • utopiah@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      They don’t want to wake up until they have something else more appealing to put their money on. They NEED something to invest. They don’t care what it is, or even if it works but it has to be plausible enough to make money, more money.

      Until there is another scam to put their money in, they are stuck in the bubble, like us.

  • manxu@piefed.social
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    22 days ago

    Honestly, tulips were a better investment than Tesla or OpenAI. In fact, the continued success of the latter two tells you by itself there is something deeply, seriously wrong with the stock markets and the economy as a whole.

  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    Oracle recently put out a ridiculously optimistic forecast that had them matching AWS within a handful of years. At first the market loved it.

    Now I think people are beginning to realise that was a load of bollocks and that they were just overhyping the stock.

  • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
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    22 days ago

    The sheer amount of AI slop shorts on YouTube must be generating entire dollars in revenue by now. Who isn’t entertained and eagerly awaiting the next five million videos of the same scenario over and over again?