If you live in an apartment, just don’t get one
Reasoning edit: pets, especially cats, will leave a smell all over furniture. Cleaning becomes an even worse chore due to the fur. They also require “house training” in order to not chew/claw/destroy most stuff that’s lying around the house.
Per rule #6, please defend your UO position with reasoning.
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Cats ESPECIALLY belong inside because they decimate the local wildlife.
Kids, especially toddlers, will leave a smell all over furniture. Cleaning becomes an even worse chore due to feeding time messes and crayons on the wall. They also require potty training in order to not shit themselves and then rub it onto everything lying around the house.
Seiously, toddlers belong outside…
Cats are healthier and live longer when kept indoors.
Local wildlife are healthier and live longer when cats are kept indoors, too.
There’s no evidence that domestic cats put pressure on local wildlife. Most domesticated cats live near urban and suburban humans and can keep household rodent populations down. They also have no impact on urban birds like pigeons, sparrows or crows.
If by domestic, you mean cats that live indoors, agreed. Otherwise there’s an extensive amount of evidence:
That Wikipedia article contains incorrect info if it applies to habitats outside of Australia or isolated islands. The math doesn’t add up for the vast majority of domesticated cat habitats. Once away from humans, cats have plenty of predators in the wild that would check their population against bird destruction. Also note that some birds prey on cats in the wild.
Well you’re very wrong.
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/news/faq-outdoor-cats-and-their-effects-on-birds/
"In the United States alone, there are 60 million to 100 million free-ranging, unowned cats. These are non-native predators that, even using conservative estimates, kill 1.3–4 billion birds and 6.3–22.3 billion mammals each year in the U.S. alone (Loss et al. 2013, Nature Communications). As a conservation organization, the Cornell Lab recognizes that this is an unnatural situation that is taking a tremendous toll on the native wildlife of our continent. "
“We also suggest that at its core, keeping cats indoors is a pro-cat stance, because it avoids the well-documented problems of predation, violence, car collisions, and disease that afflict all outdoor cats and shorten their lives.”
Many urban and suburban places in Australia have precious native bird life. They do have a measurable impact on the native population.
Upvoted for the opinion being unpopular.
Cats don’t belong outside. They will kill local wildlife and have contributed to the extinction of dozens of species.
I don’t think fish care either way as long as they get the space and care they need. That is, a tiny pond outside isn’t any better than a tank of the same volume indoors, all other things being equal.
Rodents definitely belong inside, if having a rodent as a pet is allowed at all in this scenario. I feel like this doesn’t require further explanation.
I could see rabbits liking being outside, as long as they’re adequately protected from predators. They do well inside, too. I’d call this one 50:50.
If reptiles and amphibians should be kept as pets at all, indoors is way better.
I imagine almost all invertebrate pets would have to be indoors.
Pets that are livestock species go outside, yeah. No argument here.
Some animals shouldn’t be pets at all. Some belong inside. Some belong outside. Some go in and out. It’s a mixed bag.
Upvoted and upvoted. It’s weird that in c/UO, a truly extremely unpopular opinion gets downvoted!
It should be in the top few of all time!It’s tempting, it’s really tempting. It’s easy not to downvote an unpopular opinion, but when it’s a really fucking stupid opinion as well… Ooooh I really wanna push that button.
Pets that are livestock species go outside, yeah. No argument here.
Well, they should have a cozy barn if they’re pets. If they’re really pets, with HVAC and all.
Agreed. I generally think of “Indoors” as meaning “within the home” in this case.
I do too, but I’ve seen where some people keep their horses and would gladly move in!
I could see rabbits liking being outside, as long as they’re adequately protected from predators.
Depends on the type of rabbit. Someone had the same thought as you and abandoned their pet rabbit outside where it starved to death. It was really cute, floppy and big.
Other times it is successful, eats all of the vegetation and create burrows in so many places it threatens the structural integrity of all the buildings in the area.
This is an ignorant take in that it doesn’t in any way address the emotional benefits of having animals in your living space, or offer any justification for why the costs that are asserted could be worth accepting, or the fact that plenty of animals adapt well to smaller spaces. Don’t like cleaning fur? Get short haired animals. Kids need training too, and plenty of human adults have no idea how to properly clean up after themselves. If you don’t like animals that’s fine, but don’t try to perscribe your needs onto others based solely on these grounds, you can just say I don’t like pets and that’s acceptable.
Wow that is an unpopular opinion
Right? I’m trying to imagine a similar but even less popular one.
Maybe, “People should have to earn a PhD in Veterinary Medicine and have published post doctoral work in the particular species they keep as pets.”
Terribly unpopular and stupid opinion. Have an upvote
My cat does leave a strong smell. It has become my favorite smell.
Upvoted because unpopular but I personally think youre a boring person. Sure, animals smell but thats why you clean them and your house. Id rather clean my house 5 times a week than not have my dogs.
I’d rather visit someone who’s given a loving home to a cat/dog/whatever than someone who lives in a boring, sterile, oderless, pristine home. Children are smelly and messy and destructive too, but people have always managed with them! Clean after your pet regularly, and live life rather than perfection. They’re worth it…
At some point in your life, you also required training to make sure you didn’t destroy the furniture or shit on the floor
Cleaning is part of the care. I guess that’s just what the deal is though
Some people think animals shouldn’t live indoors. It’s worth reminding those people that humans are animals
We should spend a lot more time outside, too
well then the outside should be nicer
Outside would be nicer if we stopped hating the unhoused.
Yes, we absolutely should.
Dumps fish tank outside
Sorry, but pets do not belong inside homes.
Upvoted, because you’re totally incorrect.
Are you advocating for the somewhat extreme position that pets shouldn’t exist?
Your reasoning suggests that basic duties of pet ownership such as basic training and grooming are too onerous. Canids do not soil their den in the wild and so easily are trained not to soil indoors, and cats don’t need training to use a litter box.
Are you advocating for the somewhat extreme position that pets shouldn’t exist?
Reductio ad absurdum is the technique of reducing an argument or hypothesis to absurdity, by pushing the argument’s premises or conclusions to their logical limits and showing how ridiculous the consequences would be, thus disproving or discrediting the argument.
If we don’t keep pets in the house where do we keep them? Constantly outside? Do we build a separate shed for them? What about fish? Can people keep fish inside? Or lizards? Or Guinea pigs? Or Hamsters? Or gerbils? Or any of the myriad of other small animals that people keep in terrariums/aquariums and can’t be kept outside?
The problem with citing that fallacy is that your position is already absurd without reduction.
Your reasoning simply seems to reflect the need for additional training and effort on the part of the pet owner. That’s not “reasoning” so much as bitching. Pets do perfectly well in human dwellings, so long as care and effort are taken to make it so. It kind of sounds like you shouldn’t own an indoor pet. That’s fine for you. Stop telling other people what to do when they may well be more caring and/or less lazy than you.
Soooooo. You’re gatekeeping other people’s apartments?
Here’s your upvote.
Pets deserve better than to live in shitty cramped spaces like we are forced to
