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4 SELECT COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE

s JANUARY 6TH ATTACK ON THE U.S. CAPITOL,
6 U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
7 WASHINGTON, D.C.
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11 INTERVIEW OF: JASON SULLIVAN

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15 Wednesday, August 17, 2022

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17 Washington, D.C.
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20 The interview in the above matter was held via Webex,

21 commencing at 3:05 p.m.
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2 Appearances:
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s For the SELECT COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE

6 THE JANUARY 6TH ATTACK ON THE U.S. CAPITOL:
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8 STAFF ASSOCIATE
9 INVESTIGATIVE COUNSEL
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12 For JASON SULLIVAN:

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14 JEREMY DELICINO
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2 Mr. Good afternoon. This is a transcribed

3 interview of Mr. Jason Sullivan conducted by the House Select
4 Committee to investigate the January 6th attack on the United
5 States Capitol, pursuant to House Resolution 503.
6 At this time, I'd ask the witness to please state your full
7 name and spell your last name for the record, please.
8 Mr. Sullivan. My full name is Jason Sullivan, and my last
9 name is spelled S-U-L-L-I-V-A-N.
10 Mr. Thank you, Mr. Sullivan.
11 This will be a staff-led interview, and members, of course,
12 may choose to ask questions. In the room today, you have myself,
13 I am an investigative counsel. You have Ms.
14 who is a professional staff member. We currently
15 have no members in the deposition -- in the interview room.
16 At this time, could counsel please state their full name
17 for the record.
18 Mr. Delicino. Jeremy Delicino, appearing on behalf of Mr.
19 Sullivan.
20 Mr. Thank you. Mr. Del icino, could you please
21 spell last name for us?
22 Mr. Delicino. Sure. It is D-E-L-I-C-I-N-O.
23 Mr. Thank you, Mr. Delicino.
24 There is an official reporter transcribing the record of
25 this interview. So I'd ask that you please wait until each
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1 question is completed before you begin your response, and I will

2 try to wait until your response before I start my next question.
3 Our stenographer cannot record nonverbal responses, such as
4 shaking your head. So it's important that you answer each
5 question with an audible response. Don't stress this too much.
6 If I see you shaking your head, I'll note it for the record with
7 a positive or negative response from the witness.
8 We ask that you please provide complete answers based upon
9 the best of your recollection. If the question's not clear, just
10 please ask me for a clarification. If you don't know answer,
11 please simply say so. You can also, you know, talk to Mr.
12 Delicino to ask him a question. Whatever makes you most the
13 comfortable, we're okay with.
14 You may refuse to answer a question only to preserve a
15 privilege recognized by the committee. I understand from your
16 counsel, Mr. Sullivan, that you may invoke the Fifth Amendment
17 in response to our questions. Since we are aware of this
18 obj e ct i on , we ' l l l i kel y ask you r counsel fol low up quest i on s wi th
19 the goal of understanding the base of your objection.
20 Ultimately, if you have an objection or privilege assertion,
21 we'll ask that you assert it for the record so it's noted.
22 Finally, I want to remind, as we do for all witnesses, it
23 is unlawful to deliberately provide false information to
24 Congress, and providing false information could result in
25 c r i mi n a l pen a l t i e s , i nc l ud i ng u nde r 18 U. S . C. 10 01 .
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1 Mr. Sullivan, do you understand that you cannot

2 deliberately provide false information to Congress?

3 Mr. Sullivan. Yes, I do.

4 Mr. Do you have any questions about the

5 information that I've covered so far?

6 Mr. Sullivan. No, sir.

7 Mr. Okay. So, logistically speaking, if you

8 have any questions or need any breaks to speak to your counsel,

9 just let us know. We will go on recess, mute everything, go off

10 camera, so you can speak with Mr. Delicino, and then we will come

11 back on. And if you don't understand a question, please again,

12 just can ask me to repeat it. So I'll go into the background

13 questions then. Can you please just tell us about your

14 educational background and what you do for a living?

15 Mr. Sullivan. One question for my counsel, please.

16 Mr. Okay. We'll go on mute and recess in

17 place.

18 Mr. Sullivan. Thank you.

19 [Discussion off the record.]

20 EXAMINATION
21 BY

22 Q Again, I'll just ask, what's your educational

23 background? What do you do for a living?

24 A I graduated from high school. Self-educated. Took a

25 brief stint in a community college. Other than that, I've been

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1 an entrepreneur since a very young age, probably age eight,

2 mowing lawns. So educational background, again, self-educated.
3 And currently I have a technology software that I've developed,
4 and I do some consulting.
5 Q Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe you do work
6 in communications, politics as well; is that fair to say?
7 A I have done consulting in politics, yes. Uh-huh.
8 Mid-market companies
9 Q - - and can you just tell us a little bit about the work

10 you've done, I guess, with political organizations or folks

11 involved with politics when it comes to communications?
12 A Well, as far as politics goes?
13 Q Yes, please.
14 A Yes, sir. 2014, I worked as a consultant to a gentleman
15 named Mike McFadden, who was running against Senator Al Franken
16 in Minnesota. And, in 2016, I was engaged by Roger Stone's super
17 PAC for social media listening and consulting.
18 Mr. Delicino. Jason, I'm going to ask you just keep your
19 answers there.
20 Okay. I'm going to ask a fol lowup. So how
21 did you get into contact with Mr. Roger Stone's super PAC?
22 Mr. Delicino. I'm going to ask you invoke your Fifth
23 Amendment p r i vi leg e , J as on .
24 Mr . SLI l l i Van . I respect f LI l l y plead the Fi ft h .
25 BY
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1 Q In general, can you tell us how you met Mr. Stone

2 personally?
3 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
4 Q And I guess, moving forward, after you first met him,
5 what was the nature of the relationship with Mr. Stone?
6 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
7 Q Do you still currently keep in contact with Mr. Stone?
8 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
9 Q During your time that you've known Mr. Stone, I believe
10 you said, in 2016, were you ever an aide to Mr. Stone personally?
11 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
12 Q And did you ever -- I heard you mention the super PAC,
13 but did you ever do communications personally for Mr. Roger
14 Stone?
15 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
16 Q How much did Mr. Stone pay you for your work with his
17 PAC or working with him individually?
18 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
19 Q Did he consistently pay you on time?
20 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
21 Q Are you aware of how Mr. Stone generated revenue to be
22 able to pay folks like you who did the local work with him?
23 A I believe he sold books.
24 Q Okay. What are you basing this position on?
25 A Pu b l i c rec o rd . Book s a l e s . Book pop - u p s to re s .
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1 Q Did he ever talk to you about what he did to make money?

2 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
3 Q Okay. If you're aware, please just tell us the nature
4 Mr. Roger Stone's relationship with President Trump?
5 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
6 Q What about the nature of Mr. Stone's relationship with
7 Alex Jones?
8 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
9 Q If you're aware, can you please tell us the nature of
10 Mr. Roger Stone's rel at i onshi p with Mr. Steve Bannon?
11 A I have no knowledge of their relationship.
12 Q Ok a y . Can you please us the n at u re of the rel at i on sh i p
13 between Mr. Roger Stone and Mr. Ali Alexander
14 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
15 Q Okay. Are you aware of Mr. Roger Stone having a
16 relationship with Mr. Stewart Rhodes?
17 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
18 Q Did you ever come in contact or observe the Oath Keepers
19 during your work in politics?
20 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
21 Q What about, did you ever observe or come in contact or
22 work with the Proud Boys while you were doing work in politics?
23 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
24 Q Do you know if Mr. Roger Stone - - or did you ever observe
25 Mr. Roger Stone interacting or working with Mr. Enrique Tarrio?
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1 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.

2 Q Are you familiar with Mr. Stone working with a group
3 called the First Amendment Praetorians?
4 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
5 Q So, for these questions, you've raised the Fifth
6 Amendment . Mr . Sul l i van , I u nde rs tan d that you ' l l be ass e rt i ng
7 the Fi ft h Amendment to i t seems l i ke each quest i on i n th i s top i c
8 about Mr. Stone that we're going to ask you.
9 The Fi ft h Amendment p rote ct s you r r i g ht to refuse to ans we r
10 questions if the truthful answers would be incriminating, and
11 the key word there is II
if the truthful answers would be
12 incriminating. 11
Do you understand the Fifth Amendment protects
13 your right to answer questions if the truth itself would be
14 i nc rim i n at i ng?
15 A Could you repeat the question, please?
16 Q Do you understand the Fifth Amendment protects your
17 right to refuse to answer questions if the truth itself would
18 be i nc r i mi n a t i ng?
19 A Yes.
20 Q Okay. And do you understand that it's not a valid basis
21 to assert your Fifth Amendment if you do not believe that the
22 truth itself could lead to criminal prosecution?
23 A If that's what you're explaining, then I acknowledge
24 that I heard the way that you explained it.
25 Q Okay. So, in other words, if you were to invoke the
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1 Fifth Amendment, that means that you think that if you were forced
2 to tell the truth and answer these questions, you'd be forced
3 to testify in a manner that you reasonably believe could be used
4 to prosecute you later.
5 Is that what you're saying? Do you understand that?
6 A Yes.
7 Q Okay. SoI'llsaythis: Allwewantisthetruth,Mr.
8 Sullivan, and do you understand that it's not a valid basis to
9 assert the Fifth Amendment if you do not believe that the truth
10 itself could lead to your prosecution?
11 A Is that a question --
12 Q --yeah. Doyoubelievethat? Doyouunderstandthat?
13 A Could you repeat it, please?
14 Q Do you understand it is not a val id basis to assert the
15 Fifth Amendment if you do not believe that the truth would lead
16 to a criminal prosecution?
17 A Yes.
18 Q Okay. We'll note your objection for the record.
19 Can you tell us where you were election night of 2020?
20 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
21 Q Were you with Mr. Roger Stone on election night of 2020?
22 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
23 Q So we understand that you were tracking election
24 activities in certain swing States, including Michigan. We
25 understand that you were tracking this.
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1 Who enlisted you to monitor these States?

2 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
3 Q Do you recall speaking with Mr. Kellye SoRelle about
4 election results in Michigan?
5 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
6 Q Can you tell us how you know Ms. Kellye SoRelle?
7 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
8 Q Who put you in contact with Ms. SoRel le when it came to
9 activities in Michigan during the election in 2020?
10 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
11 , can we please pull up
12 ex hi bi t 1?
13 Can you see that, Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Delicino? Can you
14 all see that.
15 Mr. Delicino. I can.
16 It's very small.
17 Okay. Is there any way we can make it
18 bigger? You can zoom in on the actual chat part on the right
19 side, go up to the top, please. Perfect.
20

21 Q So this is a group chat titled FOS. The FOS means

22 Friends of Stone. We have come to understand that you were the
23 administrator of this Signal chat.
24 Do you recall being the administrator of this group chat?
25 A I do not. And when is this?
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1 Q It's a group chat, a Signal group chat titled Friends

2 Of Stone, FOS.
3 You were not administrator of this group chat?
4 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
5 Q Okay. Do you recall admitting Ms. Kellye SoRelle to
6 this group after the 2020 election?
7 A I do not.
8 Q What do you -- do you recall this group at all?
9 A I do not.
10 Q Were you ever a member of a Friends Of Stone group chat?
11 Mr. Delicino. Jason, I'm going to ask you to assert your
12 privilege.
13 ~~~~ I respectfully plead the Fifth.
14 Okay.
15

16 Q Were you aware that individuals like Mr. Stewart

17 Rhodes, Mr. Roger Stone, and Mr. Enrique Tarrio were also
18 members of the Friends Of Stone group chat?
19 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
20 Q How were you told or informed who to admit into the
21 Friends Of Stone group chat?
22 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
23 Q Can you tel l us when the FOS , o r Fr i ends Of Stone , group
24 chat was created?
25 A No, I cannot.
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1 Q Okay. Is this the first time that you're seeing this

2 Friends Of Stone group chat?
3 A I believe so.
4 Q Okay. So we're -- how did you communicate with
5 Mr. Stone, then, at this point in ti me after the 2020 election?
6 A I had --
7 Mr. Delicino. Jason, I'm going to ask you to assert your
8 privilege.
9 Mr. ~~~~ I respectfully plead the Fifth.
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11 Q I know you just said this is the first time you've seen
12 this, so is it fair to say you don't know if this chat still
13 exists?
14 A I do not know.
15 Q Okay. Are you aware of any group chats that Mr. Stone
16 and yourself were in after the 2020 election?
17 A No.

18 Q Again, I'll ask then, didyoucommunicatewithMr. Stone

19 after the 2020 election then?
20 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
21 Q Is your intention to assert the Fifth Amendment
22 privilege to all questions we ask about your communications with
23 Mr . Stone o r g r o u p s , s uc h a s t he Fr i end s Of Stone , a f t e r t he 20 20
24 general election? Are you going to assert the Fifth Amendment
25 to all questions of this nature?
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1 A Yes.
2 Q And, to be clear, you' re asserting your Fifth Amendment
3 privilege in response to these questions of this topic because
4 you have a good-faith belief that the answers to these questions
5 might expose you to possible criminal prosecution?
6 A Yes.
7 Q Okay. Did you attend any of the "stop the steal"
8 rallies in Washington, D.C., in November or December 2020?
9 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
10 Q For these rallies, I guess, how did you find out about
11 them if you did?
12 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
13 Q And, for the rallies, when did you arrive? Did you get
14 there a day or two before the rallies, or the day of the rallies?
15 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
16 Q Did you attend these rallies with Mr. Roger Stone?
17 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
18 Q And did you help organize the event in November or
19 December in Washington, D.C.?
20 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
21 Q Are you aware if Mr. Roger Stone helped organize these
22 events in November and December in Washington, D.C.?
23 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
24 Q Were you ever aware of Mr. Stone being in contact with
25 President Trump or members of the White House when coordinating
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1 for the November or December rallies?

2 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
3 Q Are you aware of Mr. Stone having security at these
4 events, such as the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers?
5 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
6 Q Did you have security, such as the Proud Boys or Oath
7 Keepers, at these events in November or December?
8 A Did I have security?
9 Q Yes, did you have security, personal security, such as
10 the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers?
11 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
12 Q Okay. During these rallies, did you observe any
13 violence at any times?
14 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
15 Q Did you stay at the Willard Hotel with Mr. Stone when
16 you came to these events?
17 A Did I stay at the hotel with him? No.
18 Q The Willard Hotel.
19 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
20 Q Did you attend the "stop the steal" rally in Atlanta
21 November 18th of 2020?
22 A I don't believe so.
23 Q Okay. Is this the first you've heard of the "stop the
24 steal" rally in Atlanta on November 18th of 2020?
25 A I wouldn't know other than emails or public notices or
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1 whatnot.
2 Q Okay. Do you recall going to Atlanta at all
3 post-election, after the 2020 election?
4 A I don't recall.
5 Q You don't recall if you went to Atlanta or not?
6 A I don't recall. I travel a lot, so I don't recall if
7 I've been to Atlanta after the 2020 election.
8 Q Okay. So then let's backtrack a little bit. After the
9 2020 election, I've already stated we know that you were tracking
10 Michigan. Were you also tracking Georgia?
11 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
12 Q Okay. Again, just, I guess, going to the next event,
13 kind of, in this timeline, we have the D.C. rally on November 14th
14 of 2020. We have the Atlanta rally on November 18th of 2020.
15 Di d you a t tend t he " s top t he s tea l " r a l l y i n Wa s h i ngt on ,
16 D.C., on December 12th of 2020?
17 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
18 Q Is it your intention to assert the Fifth Amendment
19 privilege to all questions we ask about your knowledge about
20 "stop the steal" rallies held in November or December of 2020?
21 A Yes.
22 Q Okay. And, to be clear, you're asserting the Fifth
23 Amendment privilege in response to these questions about the
24 "stop the steal" rallies because you have a good-faith belief
25 that if you were to answer these questions, it might expose you
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1 to possible criminal prosecution?

2 A Yes.
3 Q Okay.
4 Mr. could we please pull up
5 exhibit 2?
6 BY

7 Q So this is a New York Times article, and it's about a

8 conference call held on December 30th that you spoke at
9 concerning the January 6th rally in Washington, D.C.
10 Are you familiar with this article? It's written by
11 Mr. Alan Feuer.
12 A Yes, I believe I am.
13 Q Okay. Do you recall this conference call held on
14 December 30th?
15 A One moment for my counsel, please.
16 Okay. We'll turn cameras off, and make
17 sure you go on mute, Mr. Sullivan.
18 Mr. Delicino. It's okay, Jason. I would ask that you
19 invoke on this.
20 Mr. Sullivan. I respectfully plead the Fifth.
21 BY

22 Q Who invited you to speak on this conference call?

23 A I don't recall.
24 Q Okay. Do you know who was hosting the conference call?
25 A I don't recall.
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1 Q Did you speak on a lot of conference calls like this

2 leading up to January 6th?
3 A Not many that I recall.
4 Q Approximately, how many did you speak on?
5 A I don't recall.
6 Q Was it less than 5, more than 10? I mean, give us a
7 ballpark.
8 Mr. Delicino. Jason, I'm going to ask you invoke here.
9 Mr.~~~~ plead the Fifth?
10 BY

11 Q Okay. For these calls, what was the purpose of you

12 joining them?
13 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
14 Q So, on this call - - actually, so we have the call. We
15 have the conference call from December 30th. On the call, the re
16 appear to be people from all around the country.
17 Do you know who these participants were that were joining
18 t he c a l l to he a r you s pea k?
19 A I don't know who all of them were. I don't know how many
20 people were on the call.
21 Q Did Mr. Stone coordinate for you to speak on these
22 calls?
23 A I certainly do not believe so.
24 Q How do you -- I guess, why do you believe that?
25 A Because I had very limited communication with Stone
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1 since I worked with him in 2016.

2 Q Okay. So, in the 2020 post-election timeframe, it's
3 your testimony that you had limited conversations with Mr. Stone
4 at this time?
5 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
6 this might take a second. So
7 this is exhibit 3. This is the audio we have from the conference
8 call referenced in The New York Times article.
9 Can we play from 2:20 to 2:40, please? You can start at
10 2:16. That's fine.
11 [Audio played.]
12 Thank you,
13 So was that your voice there speaking on the conference
14 cal l , Mr . Sul l i van?
15 Mr. Sullivan. One moment for my counsel.
16 Okay.
17 [Discussion off the record.]
18 Mr. Sullivan. Okay. I'm back.
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21 Q Can you confirm if that was your voice on the audio?

22 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
23 Q What did you mean when you said "a long, protracted
24 solution" on that clip we just played?
25 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
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1 Q Who were you working with on this solution?

2 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
3 Q Did you speak with, or did anyone tell you they spoke
4 with President Trump regarding this, quote/unquote, protracted
5 solution?
6 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
7 can we play between 5:30 and
8 the 6-minute mark, please?
9 [Audio played.]
10 Thanks,
11 BY

12 Q When you say "the militia," are you referring to groups

13 like the Oath Keepers?
14 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
15 Q Were the Proud Boys included in that term "militia" when
16 you used it in the conference call?
17 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
18 Q So, as we said earlier, this call is from December 30th
19 of 2020, right, so just shortly before January 6th.
20 What was your understanding of how the militia would stop
21 President Biden from entering the White House?
22 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.

23 Q Did Mr. Stone ever tell you about plans of using the
24 militia to prevent President Bi den from entering the White House?
25 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
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1 Q I guess, why were you telling this group on the

2 conference call about the militia's plans?
3 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.

4 Q At the time, so, on December 30th, did you condone a

5 militia preventing Mr. Biden from entering the White House and
6 the peaceful transfer of power?
7 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.

8 Q Today, do you condone, you know, an antigovernment,

9 nongovernment militia preventing the peaceful transfer of power?
10 A I don't endorse any type of violence.

11 Q Did you endorse any type of violence December 30th of

12 2020?
13 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.

14 Mr. Delicino. You can answer that question, Jason.

15 Mr. Sullivan. What's that?
16 Mr. Delicino. You can answer that last question.
17 Mr. Sullivan. So please ask the question again.
18 BY
19 Q So I asked you if condone a nongovernment militia
20 preventing the peaceful transfer of power now. And you said you
21 don't or you don't condone any type violence ever.
22 I was asking did you condone violence or preventing the
23 peaceful transfer of power on December 30th of 2020?
24 A No , I did not .
25 Q So then what did you mean then by a militia preventing
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1 Mr. Biden from entering the White House? How would that happen?
2 Mr. Delicino. Jason, I'd ask you invoke now.
3 Mr. Sullivan. Yeah. I respectfully plead the Fifth.
4 can we please play clip 10:40
5 through 11:30?
6 [Audio played.]
7 , that's great.
8

9 Q So the President's speech on January 6th was scheduled

10 to be -- it actually occurred at the Ellipse.
11 Were you aware that President Trump would then send the
12 attendees to the Capitol afterwards? Because that segment we
13 just played was about at the Capitol. So were you aware that
14 attendees would go to the Capitol?
15 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
16 Q So then can you explain what you meant by,
17 quote/unquote, "descend on the Capitol"? What did you mean by
18 that?
19 A One moment for my counsel, please.
20 Mr. Sullivan. Thank you.
21 No problem.
22 [Discussion off the record.]
23 Mr . S u l l i v a n . I ' m b ac k .

24 BY
25 Q The question I asked was, can you explain what you meant
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1 by, quote/unquote, "descend on the Capitol"?

2 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
3 Q On the clip we just played, you also make a reference
4 to Jericho and the walls coming down. Why did you use this
5 specific reference?
6 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
7 can we play starting at the
8 13:05 mark and go to approximately 13:30?
9 [Audio played.]
10

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12 Q So, in other parts of the call and even earlier today

13 you, made a point to mention peaceful and that you don't condone
14 violence, right? So you said peaceful on parts of the call, and
15 earlier you said you don't condone violence.
16 But, in this reference, you describe a patriot as someone
17 who is willing to die. Why was that even necessary to say?
18 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
19 Q I guess, by saying a patriot must be willing to die, were
20 you expecting there to be violence on January 6th?
21 A I was not expecting violence.
22 Q So what was the purpose, then, of explaining a patriot
23 must be willing to die?
24 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
25 Q Di d t he even t s o r t he v i o l enc e on J a n u a r y 6 t h s u r p r i s e
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1 you?
2 A Yes, they did.
3 Q What were you expecting?
4 A Peaceful protests.
5 Q So, again, I'll go back, then, if you were expecting a
6 peaceful protest, then why were we talking about patriots be
7 willing to die on this phone call?
8 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
9 Q Is it your intention to assert the Fifth Amendment
10 privilege to all questions we ask about this conference call and
11 what you were expecting regarding the violence on January 6th?
12 A Yes.
13 Q And, to be clear, you' re asserting your Fifth Amendment
14 privilege to these questions regarding this December 30th call
15 in which you were expecting on January 6th because you have a
16 good-faith belief that the answers to those questions might
17 expose you to possible criminal prosecution?
18 A Yes.
19 Q Okay. Did you come to Washington, D. C., for the events
20 on J an u a r y 5th and 6th?
21 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
22 Q When did you arrive in D.C. for the January 6th events?
23 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
24 Q Did you stay at the Willard with Mr. Stone again?
25 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
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1 Q Ag a i n , di d you have a person al sec u r i t y de ta i l , such as

2 the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers, while you were in Washington,
3 D.C., for January 6th?
4 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
5 Q Did you attend any of the events on January 5th in
6 Washington, D.C.
7 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
8 Q Were you a speaker at any events on January 5th?
9 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
10 Q Did you go to the rally at the Ellipse on January 6th?
11 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
12 Q Did you go to the Capitol on January 6th?
13 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
14 Q Did you have any role planning the events on January 5th
15 o r J a n ua r y 6 t h ?
16 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
17 Q Did you have any role planning any violence on
18 J a n ua r y 6 t h ?

19 A No.

20 Q Okay. Did you have any roles period with any type of
21 planning on January 6th?
22 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
23 Q When did you first become aware that there was violence
24 going on at the Capitol on January 6th?
25 A I don't recall. I don't recall what time. I don't
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1 recall.
2 Q Was it the afternoon? Was it later that night? Was it
3 the next day? Can you give us a timeframe?
4 A It was in that afternoon.
5 Q Were you in Washington, D.C.? Were you in Washington,
6 D.C.?
7 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
8 Q How did you find out about the violence going on at the
9 Capitol on January 6th?
10 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
11 Q Did Mr. Stone tell you about the violence?
12 A No.

13 Q Okay. Did you speak to Mr. Stone on January 6th?

14 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
15 Q Do you know what Mr. Stone's reaction was to the
16 violence at the Capitol on January 6th?
17 A Other than what I saw on television, no.
18 Q He didn't tell you his feelings about the violence at
19 the Cap i to l on J an u a r y 6th?
20 A No.

21 Q Were you -- so you all were in contact with each other

22 i n J an u a r y 20 21?
23 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
24 Q Has Mr. Stone made any comments about January 6th to you
25 aft e r J an u a r y 6th , so f r om that date u n t i l now?
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1 A No.

2 Q Have you all talked since January 6th of 2021?

3 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
4 Q Did you speak with any Members of Congress about the
5 rallies being held at the Capitol on January 6th?
6 A I don't believe so.
7 Q Did you speak with any Members of Congress' staff about
8 the events happening at the Capitol on January 6th?
9 A I do not believe so.
10 Q Are you aware of anyone that might have been organizing
11 that you might have been working with at this time who did speak
12 with Members of Congress about the events on January 6th?
13 A I don't believe so. I respectfully plead the Fifth.
14 Q Okay. Did you speak with anyone from the White House
15 about the events on January 6th?
16 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
17 Q Are you aware if Mr. Stone spoke with anybody at the
18 White House about the events on January 6th?
19 A Other than what I've seen in public domain around
20 television or on social media, no.
21 Q Okay. He never told you about speaking with anyone at
22 the White House about the events on January 6th?
23 A No.

24 Q Have you ever asked him about it?

25 A No.
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1 Q I guess, in general, what do you and Mr. Stone talk about

2 these days or at that time in January? I guess what was your
3 working relationship at this point?
4 A We don't talk these days.
5 Q What about in January of 2021, did you speak then?
6 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
7 Q Okay. So, when it comes to the events on January 6th
8 or your communications with Mr. Stone about the events on
9 January 5th or January 6th, it's your intention to assert your
10 Fifth Amendment privilege to these questions?
11 A Yes.
12 Q And, to be clear, you' re asserting your Fifth Amendment
13 privilege about these questions because you have a good-faith
14 belief that the answers to these questions might expose you to
15 possible criminal prosecution?
16 A Yes.
17 Q Okay. Sothisquestion'sforyou,Mr.Sullivan. And,
18 Mr . Del i c i no , you can al so step i n and ans we r these quest i on s
19 as well.
20 But have you been interviewed by law enforcement regarding
21 your knowledge of events in Washington, D.C., on January 6th of
22 2021?
23 A No.

24 Q Have you been contacted by the FBI reg a rd i ng the events

25 on J a n u a r y 6 t h ?
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1 A No.

2 Q Okay. Following January 6th of 2021, have you been

3 contacted by any attorneys representing individuals charged with
4 criminal conduct on January 6th?
5 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
6 Q Okay. What about attorneys representing Mr. Stone?
7 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
8 Hold on one second, there, one second, if you don't mind,
9 for my counsel. Thank you.
10 Mr. Thanks.
11 [Discussion off the record.]
12 Mr. Sullivan. Okay. I'm back. Could you please repeat
13 the question?
14 Have attorneys representing the former
15 Pres i dent , f o rm e r Pres i dent Trump contacted you o r you r counsel
16 s i nc e J an u a r y 6th?
17 Mr. Delicino. we weren't talking about Trump yet.
18 We were talking about
19 Oh, we were on Mr. Stone. Sorry. I had
20 moved on.
21 BY

22 Q Have attorneys representing Mr. Stone reached out to

23 you o r Mr . Del i c i no o r any of you r o the r at to r ne y s?
24 A Yes. Stone's attorney reached out to me via email to
25 send me a cease and des i st to demand that I do not pub l i cl y state
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1 that I was Roger Stone's social media strategist, that I must

2 only say that I was a consultant. That's the only communication
3 I've had with Stone's attorney. And that was from him saying --
4 Q Approximately --
5 A -- did not respond.
6 Q Approximately when was this cease and desist sent to
7 you?
8 A Within a few months ago.
9 Q Okay. Do you know what triggered that? Why that
10 letter came to you?
11 A Because I show, you know, that I did work with him at
12 that time in 2016 as a social media strategist. So I suppose
13 "consultant" would be a better word. I guess he didn't like the
14 word "strategist." So I suppose that's what's triggered it.
15 Q Was it shortly after -- I guess, I'm trying to get the
16 time down. Was it near the time The New York Times published
17 the article about the conference call December 30th?
18 A I don't recall if it was that same time or not.
19 Q Okay. Hold on. Let me look at the date of the
20 A But Stone has publicly thrashed me repeatedly.
21 Q Do you -- I know this is speculative, but do you know
22 why?
23 A I feel that it's probably because I inadvertently
24 embarrassed him in 2016 by finding out that he was probably on
25 the outs with the candidate, 45, or then-candidate
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1 President -- candidate Trump. I think that embarrassed him, or

2 the situation I think embarrassed him where he wasn't able to
3 deliver in some promises that he promised some folks. So I think
4 I inadvertently embarrassed him.
5 And then, in addition to that, I provided information during
6 the Robert Mueller investigations where they asked me about my
7 involvement with Stone, of course, and Stone was publicly making
8 statements that he had a, quote/unquote, back channel to Julian
9 Assange. And I actually was one of the administrators for his
10 Twitter accounts. So I looked into the private messages, which
11 I had access to, and discovered that it was everything but the
12 truth.
13 Wikileaks had sent him a message that basically: What are
14 you doing? Stop staying that you have any type of relationship
15 with us whatsoever. We don't have a relationship, and please
16 don't go there if you don't want us to publicly correct you.
17 And he proceeded by arguing with them. But I turned over
18 those screen shots of those messages, which showed that he
19 definitely did not have any type of back channel to Wikileaks
20 or Julian Assange. It was probably very embarrassing for him
21 as well because he was publicly stating that over and over. I
22 don't know why, other than to boost his own persona or his own
23 i n f l uenc e .
24 Q When you said, in 2016, there were things that, you know,
25 Mr . Stone d i d n ' t de l i v e r on that you mi g ht have em b a r r ass e d h i m
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1 about, what were they?

2 A I don't recall exactly what it was, but it was -- I
3 had well, he had a super PAC, and basically, you know, I had
4 a couple people that may support the super PAC financially. And
5 he made some promises that I don't recall exactly what they were,
6 but I just remember that he wasn't able to deliver, and it was
7 kind of curious because, you know, he, of course, would tell
8 everybody that he has Trump on speed dial and he can call him
9 any time. That's the way he kind of perceived himself, but it
10 didn't appear to be the case at the time. So I don't recall
11 exactly what the promise was, but he wasn't able to deliver.
12 Q Got it. Going back to the cease and desist letter. So
13 the Allen Feuer New York Times article that we referenced was
14 published in April of 2022. That's the copy I have.
15 Is this around the time approximately you might have
16 received the letter from Mr. Stone's counsel?
17 A I can try to check, but I would -- might have to get back
18 wi t h you on t h a t . Bu t I c a n c he c k .
19 Q If that's the case, I can follow up with Mr. Delicino
20 about this too, and we can just get a proffer email answer from
21 your attorneys.
22 Do you remember which attorney reached out to you?
23 A I can look that up for you.
24 Q Okay.
25 A I might be able to do it right now. Can I access my
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1 phone?

2 Q Let's recess in place. Yeah. Please.

3 A Okay. Hold on.

4 [Recess.]

5 Mr. I'm back.

6 BY

7 Q Carry on.

8 A It seems like I received the cease and desist from Roger

9 Stone on April 14th, and it was sent from a Grant Smith.

10 Q Grant Smith. Okay. Thank you. Was it simply about

11 a -- actually, can you turn that over to us? Are you all able

12 to turn that over to us?

13 A Yes. Absolutely.

14 Thank you. Mr. Delicino, I'll email you

15 right after this, and you can just email it to us. That would

16 be great.

17 Mr. Delicino. Jason, just email it to me. I know I have

18 it somewhere, but.

19 BY

20 Q Is that the only time you can think of recently that you

21 talked to Mr. Stone or representatives of Mr. Stone?

22 A I believe that's the last time that I've heard from

23 anything to do with Roger Stone, other than things I might have

24 seen publicly. I mean, subsequent to that letter -- I'm sorry.

25 Subsequent to receiving that letter, he publicly thrashed me

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1 again.
2 Q Right. Right. Okay.
3 A He doesn't like me, and I don't like him very much
4 either.
5 Q I guess, knowing him and having worked with him in the
6 past, right, in 2016, 2017, when you see reports about
7 Mr. Stone's involvement with Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or
8 January 6th, what is your reaction to that?
9 A I'm not happy about a lot of things that took place
10 there, especially violence on January 6th. I know al ittle bit
11 about some of these people that were involved as far as my
12 research that I do. I think it's appalling what took place, you
13 know. Some of these Proud Boy folks I think were nefarious. I
14 think some of these Oath Keeper folks were nefarious.
15 But I can't speak to, you know, what Roger was doing or how
16 he -- what he was thinking or what he was strategizing because
17 I wasn't working with him. So -- but that's my view of the
18 s i t u a t i on .

19 Q Did you ever observe Mr. Stone with Proud Boys, though,
20 when last when you worked with him?
21 A One second, please.
22 [Discussion off the record.]
23 Mr. Sullivan. Okay. I'm back. Can you repeat the
24 question?
25 Mr. Okay.
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1 BY MR.
2 Q The question was, did you ever observe Mr. Roger Stone
3 with Proud Boys going back to 2016?
4 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
5 Q Okay. And, just going back to kind of the litany of
6 questions about attorneys or representatives reaching out to
7 you, were you contacted by attorneys representing former
8 President Trump at all?
9 A I respectfully plead the Fifth.
10 Q So, when it comes to, I guess, the former President's
11 attorneys or representatives, or I guess Mr. Stones'
12 interactions with Proud Boys or Oath Keepers, is it your
13 intention to assert the Fifth Amendment privilege to these
14 questions?
15 A Yes.
16 Q And you're asserting this privilege because you have a
17 good-faith belief that if you were to answer these questions,
18 it could expose you to possible criminal prosecution?
19 A That is my understanding.
20 Q Okay.
21 Well, that is all the questions I had for today. If we have
22 anyfollowupquestions, I'll reach out to Mr. Delicino. We might
23 have followup questions, but unless you have anything else you
24 want to add, we can end the interview.
25 A No , I th i n k we ' re good . I sent that let t e r o v e r to Mr .
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1 Delicino.
2 Q Thank you for that.
3 A Happy to help in any way that I can.
4 Q Okay. Thank you.
5 Mr. We'll go off the record at 3:55 p.m.
6 [Whereupon, at 3:55 p.m., the interview was concluded.]
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